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The government must not make the same mistakes that it did during the 1918-1920 Spanish Flu pandemic. The communities that had the least deaths and illnesses and were least impacted during the Spanish Flu pandemic had versions of a shelter in place/ controlled access system that was strictly enforced. Gunnison Colorado is one example.

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2 hours ago, 5150PLB1 said:

The government must not make the same mistakes that it did during the 1918-1920 Spanish Flu pandemic. The communities that had the least deaths and illnesses and were least impacted during the Spanish Flu pandemic had versions of a shelter in place/ controlled access system that was strictly enforced. Gunnison Colorado is one example.

Indeed! And Philadelphia was an example of how not to handle things

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Guess which way it will go when you have a "leader" that thinks he knows more than the expects. First Global Warming, now this.

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I never said I knew much about Darwin. Far from me such a thought! 

It was just to say that the Swedish choice means the strongest will survive. A sort of adaptation to new environment anyway 

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It is interesting to note the similarities and differences between the current situation and the Spanish Flu pandemic. It does seem that the communities that instituted a fairly strict lockdown policy fared rather better than those which did not. And to think that back in those days, there was no way to cross an ocean without getting on a ship for a number of days or weeks!

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It looks like some of the younger  folks are starting to die from this thing. Maybe this reality check will convince them to take social distancing seriously. I have been going out for lunch everyday just to get a chance to wear heels for a bit. Of course it's all take out only, but it's better than nothing.

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10 minutes ago, chesterx said:

It looks like some of the younger  folks are starting to die from this thing. Maybe this reality check will convince them to take social distancing seriously. I have been going out for lunch everyday just to get a chance to wear heels for a bit. Of course it's all take out only, but it's better than nothing.

I see complaint directed at young people but I haven’t really seen anyone being reckless here.  They are doing the same thing you are, going out to lunch for take out occasionally which also supports business that are hurting.  But I know I have a limited view, compared to what might be happening in cities.  

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My job continues for now, flying in empty planes.  Layoffs will come soon, the schedules will have to be reduced, but I will be OK.  Honestly, I feel safer in the plane than I do in the darn food stores.  Crewmembers are the only "guests" in the hotels.  I bring my Clorox wipes and wash constantly.  Hopefully the government will get busy on the test kits.  I am not as concerned about being sick myself, but would feel terrible if I am unknowingly spreading the virus.  

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When I’m not on the road on assignment, as I won’t be for quite some time I reckon, I am home and lead a fairly monastic existence. Self isolation or shelter in place makes very little difference to me - just another day at home office . My own dress code for the office allows me to come to work  in the bohemian style I orefer. I’m such a tolerant employer... 

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1 hour ago, pebblesf said:

My job continues for now, flying in empty planes.  Layoffs will come soon, the schedules will have to be reduced, but I will be OK.  Honestly, I feel safer in the plane than I do in the darn food stores.  Crewmembers are the only "guests" in the hotels.  I bring my Clorox wipes and wash constantly.  Hopefully the government will get busy on the test kits.  I am not as concerned about being sick myself, but would feel terrible if I am unknowingly spreading the virus.  

At one point in my job I was flying on airplanes every week, and planes were always packed as I would be competing with all the other business travelers trying to get places at the same time.  The thought of flying on empty planes right now is half dream and half nightmare.  I'd welcome the good 'ol days when we'd have plenty of room to spread out on a plane, but I'd be terrified of spreading a disease around.  Either way, my job has now changed forever, and we will never fly as much as we used to.  I'm sure capacity will have to be cut, fares will go up, and we will only fly when we absolutely have to now.  Perhaps flying will become more of a luxury and more enjoyable again, kind of like how people go on ships and trains for fun, rather than just for cheap transportation.  Unfortunately folks in the airline industry will lose jobs, but maybe some of the jobs in pilots and ground crew will be redirected towards cargo movement.  I'm sure other companies are thinking like Amazon, and reduce dependency on FedEx and UPS for everything.  

 

 

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3 hours ago, Shyheels said:

When I’m not on the road on assignment, as I won’t be for quite some time I reckon, I am home and lead a fairly monastic existence. Self isolation or shelter in place makes very little difference to me - just another day at home office . My own dress code for the office allows me to come to work  in the bohemian style I orefer. I’m such a tolerant employer... 

Now's the time to break out those wild clothes and see how tolerant your employer really is. 

I'm surprise @JeffB isn't taking this time to explore different looks and mixtures of outfits. Instead of jaunts he could be doing runway treads. 

I enjoyed rocking my faux leather pants all day yesterday. Maybe wear my leather skirt one day soon. You can be stuck at home in flats or in High Heels, take the higher road.

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Faux leather and vinyl trousers are very much part of my office dress code. Worn usually with pastel Converse hi tops and a jumper - a sort of breezy boho look that inspires creativity, at least in me

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The chinese statistics have aired for long. Followed by Italian stats.

The government should have taken measure to protect vulnerable people as soon as 1st case occured in the country.

1st they should have confined retirement residences, have people with preexisting troubles be in touch with their doctors for instructions, etc.

For the rest, antibodies are the best way to fight viruses.

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Trouble is, this virus is new to humans - nobody had any immunity or antibodies. Had Covid-19 been a more virulent strain of virus this could all have been much, much worse. 

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I don't know.

All I see is the fabulous heeled boots I ordered are stuck in closed post office and I cannot even get there anyway.

Yes I know in fact. Chinese stats also claimed people were recovering from it. Thanks to what if not to antibodies ? Maybe governments don't think chinese stats are reliable.

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Some people, those that recover, their body creates the antibody for this virus.  How long does this antibody stays in you, or whether this virus can mutate and attack you again is still unclear. Some virus live with you FOREVER.  Example the herpe family: chicken pox, herpes, shingles, (same virus family). 

 

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I understand. What happened in Gunnison, Colorado can unfortunately not be done again.

China attempted an unthinkable lockdown, yet the virus is all around the world. That was known before it arrived in France.

Italy attempted an unthinkable lockdown, yet it is all around Europe. That was known end february.

France attempted to track the previous contacts of confirmed cases. Yet the 1st case was a tourist in Paris. I mean, when this poor guy finally opted for the hospital, a choice you don't take with only a few symptoms (have to wait for 6 to 7 hours amid infected people), he had sighted the most visited places in France while contagious...

I mean, governments take strange decision for their own politic issues

Protecting vulnerable people is our best solution, with hoping that immune system or recovered people will act as a confinement.

http://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200325-france-nursing-homes-coronavirus-covid-higher-mortality-reported

 

 

 

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On 3/20/2020 at 10:08 PM, mlroseplant said:

 

I got re-acquainted with that feeling just this past Sunday, at our final church service for a while (we are of course closed until further notice like everybody else). I was asked to fill in on bass for the first two services, which have bands. The college student who usually plays with them was gone on spring break. I usually just bring my instrument (which for those of you who are interested is an early 90s Fender J-Bass Plus) and a plastic 5 gallon bucket to carry the necessary cords, music, accessories, &c. Lately, I have also been bringing my newly acquired cornet to play at the third service with the organ. So couple carrying three not really heavy, but awkward, things with my dubious decision to wear my House of Harlow oxfords, which are right up against the steepness limit of what I can walk in anyway, and you get a recipe for looking like a complete dork, which I did.

Loving dressing up and wearing heels as I do, It can often get in the way of work. For self preservation I got these to wear. They are not high heels but I think they look nice, and they make a great sound on floorboards and concrete. With a leather skirt they make me feel as though I wearing heels as high as in the background. Look after yourself everyone. js

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7 hours ago, joshure said:

Loving dressing up and wearing heels as I do, It can often get in the way of work. For self preservation I got these to wear.

The same thing sort of happened with me. I was finding I was spending all my time wanting to wear heels which made me unintentionally avoid doing certain things that need to be done. I wound up getting a pair of Dansko clogs to "solve" that problem.

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So in a Post COVID world with temperature checking stations, sinks next to every entrance, buttonless elevators, I wonder if someone is going to create copper coatings for the bottoms of shoes?  Like Louboutin's RED, copper would be the detail.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=featured_home

"On copper, no viable SARS-CoV-2 was measured after 4 hours"

Retail copper distributor here: https://coppercoater.com/

Probably not something you'll see discussed over Business Lunch at the local steakhouse anytime soon.

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On 4/13/2020 at 8:13 PM, kneehighs said:

So in a Post COVID world with temperature checking stations, sinks next to every entrance, buttonless elevators, I wonder if someone is going to create copper coatings for the bottoms of shoes?  Like Louboutin's RED, copper would be the detail.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=featured_home

"On copper, no viable SARS-CoV-2 was measured after 4 hours"

Retail copper distributor here: https://coppercoater.com/

Probably not something you'll see discussed over Business Lunch at the local steakhouse anytime soon.

I would agree with that assessment.

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Probably the most illuminating article I've read of what to expect from life in a Post COVID world

Inside the Dystopian, Post-Lockdown World of Wuhan

Social Distancing will be our new normal: "But inasmuch as citizens can return to living as they did before January, it’s not clear, after what they’ve endured, that they really want to. Shopping malls and department stores are open again, but largely empty. The same is true of restaurants; people are ordering in instead. The subway is quiet, but autos are selling: If being stuck in traffic is annoying, at least it’s socially distanced."

We'll use public transport less.  We'll use ride sharing apps like Uber less.  And probably car sales will go up  "People are not willing to take public transport in Wuhan,” said the marketing director, who asked to be identified by only his surname, Pan. “And they don’t dare commute by Didi”—the ubiquitous ride-hailing app. The focus now, Pan said, was on following up with people who’d expressed interest in an Audi in the past but hadn’t bought one. They might be ready to bite. The dealership was looking to expand its current staff of about 150, and employees would soon receive the pay they’d missed during the lockdown. Another salesperson added, “It’s like a boom.”  

We might be assigned color codes to regulate travel. "Green codes, required even to ride the subway, have become the city’s most precious possession, and one that’s easy to lose. Merely visiting a building around the same time as a person later found to be infected can turn them yellow.... A green QR code, which denotes a low risk of having the virus, is the general default, while coming into contact with an infected person can trigger a yellow code and a mandatory quarantine. Red is for a likely or confirmed case."  In the US, only Google, Apple or Facebook have the scale to do something like this, sigh. Challenges here: Preserving privacy and keeping data updated will be key priorities.

Frequency of large gatherings will probably be reduced.  "Hardly anyone alive today has endured a pandemic this severe, and the basic problem it’s created—that anyone, whether friend, family, or stranger, might be a vector for lethal infection—is uniquely corrosive to the daily interactions that keep countries and economies going. An effective vaccine could be at least a year off, and given what the world has learned about how quickly a novel pathogen can shut everything down, even that might not return things to the way they were. Wuhan was the first place to traverse both sides of the Covid-19 curve, and how it changes, or doesn’t, in the disease’s aftermath will say a lot to the rest of us."  Challenges to reviving large gatherings: Vaccines, government approvals, solvency issues for companies that promote large gatherings, 

Just my two sats

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Bottom line, we can all thank communist red china for the terror, lies and misery they have inflicted upon us.  communism is BAD for children and other living things....   sf

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I have been asked my opinion on when we will return to the new normal several times this past week. My predictions have been right so far, so I am frequently asked. Earliest will be September 2021.  Wonder what amusement parks will have to do to make their riders safe between passengers?  Social distancing on a roller coaster?  Mass transit, airlines, and cruise ships will take major hits as well as destination vacations and conventions and sporting events. Would you feel safe standing shoulder-to-shoulder (in heels, of course) around a craps table in a casino?

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51 minutes ago, Cali said:

Wonder what amusement parks will have to do to make their riders safe between passengers?  Social distancing on a roller coaster? 

So sad.  I agree with you about Sept 2021....

Anyway to isolate Newport Beach for a good data set to study? https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/people-are-seen-gathering-on-the-beach-north-of-newport-news-photo/1221079095

There's always the chance the American people will take risks into their own hands too (above pics).  Then what?  Ticketing for no masks?  Follow Swedens lead and quarantine the most at risk populations?

 

 

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5 hours ago, SF said:

Bottom line, we can all thank communist red china for the terror, lies and misery they have inflicted upon us.  communism is BAD for children and other living things....   sf

And I'm sure the world thanked the U.S. for the 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak which killed millions and, despite it's name, originated in Kansas. I don't care about finger pointing, we all know what happened, where it happened and how it happened, instead, the focus should be on finding a vaccine for this virus.

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10 hours ago, SF said:

Bottom line, we can all thank communist red china for the terror, lies and misery they have inflicted upon us.  communism is BAD for children and other living things....   sf

We might get dinged here a little bit by management, so let's not get too crazy, but I must point out that Communist Vietnam has done rather better than almost everybody with this pandemic, so it's not as simple as all that. They are every bit as awful as Communist China, as far as the government goes.

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12 hours ago, Cali said:

Would you feel safe standing shoulder-to-shoulder (in heels, of course) around a craps table in a casino?

I love this particular example.  We gamble all the time in our daily life choices, including our health, and this extends beyond risks of the Wu-flu. 

The “War on Terror” brought us TSA checkpoints, so it’s to be expected that someone will have a grand plan for how to control people’s private activities now in the name of public health.  That is the stuff worth protesting about.  

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Well last year when I got out of home I risked

cancer, stroke, car accident, falling on banana peel, slippery staircase, terrorist attack, gangster settling, shooting by a jealous lover, drowning in floods, landslide, a fire, a plane crash, a storm, a shark or wild beast attack, a meteor fall, a volcanic eruption, a nuclear explosion, food poisoning, etc.

Now I risk 

cancer, stroke, car accident, falling on banana peel, slippery staircase, terrorist attack, gangster settling, shooting by a jealous lover, drowning in floods, landslide, a fire, a plane crash, a storm, a shark or wild beast attack, a meteor fall, a volcanic eruption, a nuclear explosion, food poisoning, coronavirus, etc.

As you see the list only grew a bit. And this growth will surely be matched by slightly reduced lifetime.

Conclusion: it is becoming more and more urgent to live our life, spend time with our SO, wear our heels, set back the normal life and economy.

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Would be interesting to add a percentage of risk with each one. 

For sure Coronavirus won’t bring a big change 

and ,yes let’s wear heels and enjoy life 

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