The Adventures of kneehighs...

[kneehighs]

^ considering I work about 4 hours a day from wherever in the world I choose, with whoever I choose, whenever I choose, by my definition I'm doing pretty good!

[Dawn HH]

Kneehighs:-) By any definition in my opinion you are doing very well, very well indeed. Cheers--- Dawn HH

[danielp6406]

Here are 6 things about wearing high heels that WILL make you more attractive to women...

Greetings kneehighs :-)

I think I will print your post and put it in a frame for future use !

Well done !

[kneehighs]

Life is good! Heels don't have to be involved to make it spicy, but they are always like the cherry on the cake when they are.

A few pics from my latest weekend adventures which included:

PIC 1: meeting a blonde girl at the magazine rack in Penn Station and making out with her within like 3 minutes. I just went up to her with an ELLE in my hand and pressed my body right up to her and said, "I think you would look good in this outfit, what do you think?" That's a photo of her just after she sucked her finger for my camera.

PIC 2: hanging out with 2 girls. The blonde in the background with the lace top liked me. I made her work so hard to get time with me. Anyway, about 2/3 of the night through, her friend the brunette in the foreground of the picture wanted to leave, but the blonde wanted to stay. So I turned my attention to the brunette and ran my best "mojo" on her. Turns out the 3/3 of the night, the brunette wanted to stay and the blonde wanted to leave! It's funny because the blonde would ask over and over to the brunette, "hey, do you want to go now?" The brunette never answered all the way through until the very end of the night.

PIC 3: me turning some brunette upside down. This rooftop club provided red ponchos to keep warm which I refer to later. Went up to a Finnish girl and asking ,"Your feet look like they could use some a warm red blanket to keep warm" She was wearing open toed sandals. She replied, "Yes". So I leaned down and curled up my red poncho (the club provided) around her foot and she accepted by not moving away. Not a second later her "fiance" came up and said, "hey, that's my fiance you are working your rap on" to which I remained calm (if she's your fiance why on earth is she letting me touch her feet and legs???), "oh, how long have you guys been with each other?" to which he replied, "2.5 years". I couldn't tell if he was speaking the truth or not so to play it safe, I ejected with, "well have a great night! I'm going to get back to my friends".

PIC 4/5: cute french girl posing for me. She adored my heels. It was a fun nite as I went out as the solo male with a group of 3 girls. Fun times of me doing my best porn stripper impersonation pole spin in heels!

I will say this again, heels are generally not a deal breaker. It's how you respond to her inquisitions about your heels that break the deal. Girls are always looking for a reason to resist men who want to sleep with them. They don't want to view themselves as easy, or a slut, so they resist. They don't want to get sexed by any random loser. To resist, they unconsciously try and break their state by testing you. "you wouldn't know what to do with me (my reply was "You? I was figuring out what to do with the 2 of you!" or "I like muscular guys (my reply, "Well it's good you're short, so I guess that makes us even").

Oftentimes, heels can be just another way for them to try and resist.

[danielp6406]

Life is good! Heels don't have to be involved to make it spicy, but they are always like the cherry on the cake when they are.....

Life is good indeed ! Looks like you had a great time !

PIC 4/5: cute french girl posing for me. She adored my heels.

She is very cute indeed. I would have a nice "conversation" with her

Do you speak French or she was speaking English ?

[Mr. X]

I've said it before kneehighs. You are the man!

[Maximilian]

Somebody has to have all the fun lol! It might as well be you By the way, I love your boots! The heel shape is fantastic. Brand and model if you please?

[kneehighs]

Somebody has to have all the fun lol! It might as well be you

By the way, I love your boots! The heel shape is fantastic. Brand and model if you please?

Cone heels from Nine West, circa late 2008

Started the night by hitting a Matthew Williamson Party in the Meat Packing District just long enough to chat up the right people, to see and be seen. There were so many attractive girls there, whew.

Then headed to a first date and a night out afterwards (My date had to get up for work at 6:30, so we ended early at 12:45). She described my cone heels as "intense", but that was it. This girl was a cutie: white double breasted Theory blazer, with white scarf imbued with splashes of orange, blue, and red on it. Delicious light brown hair, soft skin, I gave her many a short massage. It was funny how when she was using the bathroom, the couple next to us asked me if it was our "first date". The girl said she saw me lean in towards her and touch her then break away completely from her! I explained that is all part of my flirting strategy when I give the girl the pleasure of flirting and TAKE IT AWAY. Then when I give it back later, the attraction is way deeper than if I just held the touch all night long. Sporadic take away touches are much more effective than predictable, stable touches for generating attraction.

At about 12:45 she had to leave since she had to get up for work in the morning which left me texting my friends to see if they were still out. Since they weren't, I wound up talking to some group of 2 blondes, opening with the tried and true, "my heels are higher than yours". If you are single and haven't used that line, or the similar, "I bet my shoes are pointier than yours" on a girl while wearing heels yourself, you are just cheating yourself.

I said I wanted one friend to take a photo of me and her friend. So I pulled her friends stiletto pump right up directly into my lap while she caressed the back of my neck and we posed for her friend. Soon, I stepped it up and suggested we sit at a couch and do some serious Terry Richardson style shooting. She ate it up. She initiated a phone number exchange and said we should get together to continue our shoot tomorrow. I said sure, if you can compete with my legs and pumps....winner gets a lush french kiss...and she agreed. IF this pans out (which it may not and that is fine with me--have friend from London who wants to party with me and boy is she a hottie and I have a friend who invited me out with 3 women), it could wind up shattering my old sense of limited kneehigh's reality in which I find myself stark naked, clad in pumps with a beautiful blonde, also stark naked clad in pumps, shooting Terry Richardson style fashion photos. This would even blow my mind. Just doing what we did in the roof top lounge overlooking the west side high way created a bit of a buzz as some other orbiter guys were hovering around watching.

[JeffB]

kneehighs, you continue to be quite the trendsetter AND adventurer! Bravo to you!

[Dawn HH]

Cudos Kneehighs, and enjoying it to the fullest all of the way. You ARE the man. Cheers--- Dawn HH

[kneehighs]

Sometimes I even surprise myself.

Talked to a cute brunette and blonde group. (photos enclosed)

First, I played my attention on the brunette (who I was not interested in). When I won her favor, I focused on the blonde, a total hottie who totally got my blood boiling at first glance.

We did the visual submodalities check, "think of a really great memory....is it color or black and white? Big or small? Close to you or far away?" When I called her answers right, I moved into....

"close your eyes and tell me how many fingers I'm pressing down on your forearm (total sexual flirt time)." "and try again" this time I moved three fingers VERY softly and gently along her forearm...."and again" this time I pressed two fingers onto the tip of her forearm. We had major chemistry at this time.

So I progressed into....

"you know they just finished an experiment at Depauw University where they tested people's ability to communicate by touch alone....they found certain emotions were easily conveyed...so close your eyes and let's try" I cupped my hands over her hands as if conveying sympathy/empathy and she didn't guess it.

But when she did an emotion back to me, I answered accurately on all but one. God bless. I love women. I really do. They are so socially intelligent, it amazes me. One time she rubbed her hands from my ankle up towards my knee and then up to my thigh (Yes, I was totally aroused). later she told me that was what she did to herself when she was feeling feminine. Funny how when she was rubbing her hand up my leg, her friend came back up to us!

It was my turn again and I patted her on the shoulder and then tapped her on the hands, as if to say"wow! We did it!" She got that right.

Then I asked her to open her eyes. She did. I looked at her right eye then her left eye then her lips. I repeated that twice and asked her, "so what emotion am I conveying now?" "you want to kiss me..." And naturally, I did just that for the 2d time. It was amazing.

p.s. Because it's mostly guys here, I'll post a pic of myself kissing a girl. Nix that on Facebook, or any other social network for that matter. I think it's tacky otherwise.

[Thighbootguy]

Kneehighs –

Your are going to have to right an instruction manual. When you do, it will give a whole new literal meaning to the technical community’s acronym RTFM.

Thanks for sharing your adventures.

Would you offer us a little more explanation of the “Moving towards this” in your signature?

[kneehighs]

Kneehighs –

Your are going to have to right an instruction manual. When you do, it will give a whole new literal meaning to the technical community’s acronym RTFM.

Thanks for sharing your adventures.

Would you offer us a little more explanation of the “Moving towards this” in your signature?

Your Welcome.

Also, all that stuff works because I took the time to design and practice it over and over again for myself. It's congruent with my personality because I'm really into psychology and self-improvement to begin with. It might not work for other guys, because they might not be congruent when applying it.

And another thing I should make clear is that I'm not an expert on this by any means, nor have I mastered where I want to be at yet with girls.

Regarding the "moving towards this" that's my dream girl. When I'm ready to settle down in a couple of years, she will look like that and maybe even be a Swedish Super Model

[Dawn HH]

Kneehighs:-) You are absolutely an amazing individual. I used to play the female species exactly that way when I was single. Then Mickey came along when I was 33 years old and I didn't need those devices any longer. Cheers--- Dawn HH

[Bubba136]

A Swedish super model, eh? I think there is one that used to know Tiger Woods that might be availale

[HappyFeat]

First off, I love your six types of attraction. I for one can say that they are pretty accurate and comprehensive; however, my experience with engaging with the opposite sex while wearing heels is more than most others, it is still limited in comparison with yours. It is a very nice model for understanding/predicting women's reaction to a guy wearing heels. However, I found this statement the most compelling:

3. I'm not advocating the application of technique over identity, which could be construed to be fake. I'm advocating the development of identity as a priority to the application of technique, which will make for ultimate congruence in everything in real life. My goals and identity for example aren't limited to strictly attracting women. My identity encompasses everything from cooking to auto-pilot financial investments, to petting a baby polar bear to attending toastmasters meetings to my daily health regimen. My lifestyle as a result is naturally attractive to women. The techniques are just tools which help promote those qualities efficiently in the overall male/female dating process.

I think you have GREAT advice here. I think this is a major problem in Western dating in recent years (maybe since its inception). Your point that your identity must be fostered before and separate from attracting women is vital. Too many guys miss this. In my opinion, it is this attitude/philosophy that makes you they guy who can have your recent adventures. What inspires me about you isn't just your guts and fashion, its your lifestyle and ability to grasp who you are. Thanks for the wonderful thoughts.

[kneehighs]

Tonight I violated the kneehighs code of dating: I totally drew attention to my stiletto pumps like some typical average frustrated nervous nelly. Never your average date, I met the girl on the piers of Queens overlooking the skyline, where you can hear the water lapping onto the shore, see ducks swimming along the east river, and literally hear the silence of the skyscrapers and soft rumble of the moving traffic from across the river. So we are sitting on a bench on the docks drinking our Pinot Noir and I bring up my stiletto pumps. "There is something about me that you haven't acknowledged yet that would really surprise you"....."good powers of observation would notice it"..."I'm wearing a girls blazer"..,,"and a girls striped top"....at this Point still no reaction from her...."and would you wear this outfit?". She said "yeah probably"...."and you still don't what I'm talking about?". Mind you guys, my pumps were I'm full view. She was just into me enough that she didn't bother to studiously analyze my shoes--she was more into my upper body. When I finally held my leg up so high it may as well have been another manhattan skyscraper, she finally noticed. It was totally anti-climactic. *I couldn't have paid her to be inquisitive, and I was ready for a blitz this German girl was going to assault me with. I said, " go ahead, give me your best shot?" "I don't know what to ask"....it was so quiet you could hear crickets chirp from Times Square. I may as well have shined a Hollywood spotlight on my pumps for this girl and begged her to talk about my heels but at this point I would have looked like a totally uncalibrated social retard. *I'm at a point where I subcommunicate non-verbally from my heart that it's no big deal, so that's what the girl is inclined to mirror back to me. * I let the issue die a natural death. *The fact is that she's totally willing to see me again, but she wants more emotional depth and committment than I'm willing to deliver at this period in my life. *Anymore, I really don't think it's a matter of finding an accepting girl...it's a matter of sifting and sorting through the infinite supply of girls till you find those girls that meet your current goals. I've read about a lot of guys here that I believe put heels before compatibility just because they thought an accepting girl was RARE or scarce. *So rare or special that they had to compromise right there on the spot: *either to find a girl they liked independent of her heeling approval or to stay with a girl that approves. The truth is that there are tons if girls that approve! *In my world, there is no such thing as settling. *I will never settle and never prematurely limit my options. *I hope other guys realize it's no big deal to find a girl that accepts.

[hhboots]

kneehighs, I have followed your thread off and on for quite some time. You offer many great tips, suggestions and words of motivation - often to the point that many here practically worship the ground your stiletto heeled feet walk upon. I greatly applaud your confidence and your boldness in how you approach women and life in general for that matter. However, as with any aspect of life, much of that social confidence stems from how you look externally as a human being. It really helps in life when you look like you would easily fit into the pages of a style magazine and if you have spent your whole life having the gift of looks that the average joe-shmoe can only long for. I grew up with friends that always looked a lot more attractive than I do, they always got the girls chasing after them with little effort, and they seemed to have it easy when it came to social gatherings, while I was lucky if I got a shot at the discards at the end of the night. So you tend to remind of these types of guys, where it just comes easy for you. You can show up in a full on fem outfit, a clown outfit, a geek outfit, or just normal everyday clothes, and you still have a lifetime of good looks and the confidence that goes with it on your side, to still come through it looking like a winner. So while your words of wisdom are great perhaps for some to boost them along, I for one can't use them. I am stuck with my plain life, married with children, taking my occasional and relatively stealthy strolls out in public with heels and being happy about accomplishing that much. Sorry, but I could have never pulled off 1/10 of the things you are doing when I was single and your age, even on my best day. Its just how life goes, and all these years later, its what I expect from life. Perhaps life has beaten me into thinking this way, but thats where I am. lol Sorry if that sounded like bashing, it was not intended as such, I suppose I am just in a funk today

[Maximilian]

kneehighs,

I have followed your thread off and on for quite some time. You offer many great tips, suggestions and words of motivation - often to the point that many here practically worship the ground your stiletto heeled feet walk upon.

I greatly applaud your confidence and your boldness in how you approach women and life in general for that matter. However, as with any aspect of life, much of that social confidence stems from how you look externally as a human being. It really helps in life when you look like you would easily fit into the pages of a style magazine and if you have spent your whole life having the gift of looks that the average joe-shmoe can only long for.

I grew up with friends that always looked a lot more attractive than I do, they always got the girls chasing after them with little effort, and they seemed to have it easy when it came to social gatherings, while I was lucky if I got a shot at the discards at the end of the night. So you tend to remind of these types of guys, where it just comes easy for you. You can show up in a full on fem outfit, a clown outfit, a geek outfit, or just normal everyday clothes, and you still have a lifetime of good looks and the confidence that goes with it on your side, to still come through it looking like a winner.

So while your words of wisdom are great perhaps for some to boost them along, I for one can't use them. I am stuck with my plain life, married with children, taking my occasional and relatively stealthy strolls out in public with heels and being happy about accomplishing that much. Sorry, but I could have never pulled off 1/10 of the things you are doing when I was single and your age, even on my best day. Its just how life goes, and all these years later, its what I expect from life. Perhaps life has beaten me into thinking this way, but thats where I am. lol

Sorry if that sounded like bashing, it was not intended as such, I suppose I am just in a funk today

Kneehighs leads a life that makes him feel happy and accomplished with his actions. I think that the true message of his recommendations and adventures is that you should do what you can to be yourself and be happy about it because the fear is mostly in our heads.

Obviously, not all of us are in the same position as he is or any one else for that matter. Each one of us, with our own constraints, should do what we can to be ourselves.

hhboots, if your stealthy strolls out in public makes you feel happy and gives you a sense of accomplishment then bravo. If that's what does it then there's no need to do anything else.

But, if you ever want to take it further, I think that this forum and the experiences shared in it give you undeniable proof that a public high heeling male isn't socially impossible after all.

[hhboots]

You're right Maximillian, and I feel bad that I threw some lumps of coal on this great thread. Please pay no attention to my earlier message that came out sounding rather glum. I'm really happy with my career and that it helps me and my family live rather comfortably, and also happy with my "not-so-eventful" adventures in public heeling that will just keep on being that. Kneehighs is really a great guy and is living a life full of excitement, all while wearing heels. He should be proud that he helps to lead the way for many of us and I appreciate that he is willing to share so much of his inspiration here. So please carry on kneehighs, carry on

[kneehighs]

You're right Maximillian, and I feel bad that I threw some lumps of coal on this great thread.

Please pay no attention to my earlier message that came out sounding rather glum. I'm really happy with my career and that it helps me and my family live rather comfortably, and also happy with my "not-so-eventful" adventures in public heeling that will just keep on being that.

Kneehighs is really a great guy and is living a life full of excitement, all while wearing heels. He should be proud that he helps to lead the way for many of us and I appreciate that he is willing to share so much of his inspiration here.

So please carry on kneehighs, carry on

No worries...never took it as lumps of coal. As a matter of fact, I interpreted it as the opposite. You touched on some important topics, most notably "looks matter"

Frankly, a really good looking guy (which I am not) does have inherent value in the dating process. Looks do create initial value at the point of first impression. That value does often translate into attraction.

However, there are other ways men can achieve value in the dating process through skills they can learn and directly control. If guys just started to focus on those ways, ways they can control, they would still get good results regardless of how good looking they are on the outside. Then they might not feel so pressured to jump into a relationship in general, and jump into a relationship with the first girl that accepts their heeling.

[HappyFeat]

...The truth is that there are tons if girls that approve! *In my world, there is no such thing as settling. *I will never settle and never prematurely limit my options. *I hope other guys realize it's no big deal to find a girl that accepts....

As they say in the House of Commons...HERE, HERE! I couldn't agree with this more and have met and dated many women who approve - and I did most of that in a place a lot less progressive than New York. (Of course they weren't models...) I have said many times before that guy get way too hung up about acceptance to realize that it does exist. Even if only one in ten women accept, that's still a lot.

However, the trick is BEING YOURSELF. If you like wearing heels, freestyling, etc. do it. The rest always seems to follow.

... Sorry, but I could have never pulled off 1/10 of the things you are doing when I was single and your age, even on my best day...

I think pulling off 1 in 10 things that kneehighs has done is quite ambitious for anybody. I find his experiences riveting and a true learning experience. I think the trick is to read, learn and apply to only what it is YOU desire. I think the difference lies in motive, Like kneehighs, I had spend many years playing the field with the ladies, had the time of my life and did it my way. What could be better!

[kneehighs]

....

Obviously, not all of us are in the same position as he is or any one else for that matter. Each one of us, with our own constraints, should do what we can to be ourselves....

I find his experiences riveting and a true learning experience. I think the trick is to read, learn and apply to only what it is YOU desire.

Yes! Just be yourself. Sometimes people don't know what that is though! It takes some trial and error and some serious self-introspection to figure out what "you" are. I'm know I'm still on the path!

[Thighboots2]

From my persepctive, and KH will correct me if I have it wrong of course, but this is what works for him and the social scene in which he moves. The point of his postings is to demonstrate what is possible. His lines will always be his, but they have been honed through time and experimentation. It has been, and continues to be, a wonderful journey that KH is on. The BIG lesson from KH to all guys is not just to experiment with your chatup lines, but you need to concentrate on your whole image. This is what others see first long before you get to use any line whatsoever. That is the initial attractant. It doesn't have to be flash or designer, it has to be co-ordinated and stylish. Little things like the rolling up of the sleves of the jacket, clothes to be clean, neat and pressed, Colour coordination of accessories, hair properly styled to your choice, hands manicured, nasal and ear hair removed, and so on just as a woman would do. You need to ensure your deportment is good too, nothing ruins a look more than not carrying yourself well, male or female. Do women dress to impress men, rarely IMHO, they dress to impress other women. So these little trifles that men totally overlook are picked up by women and it is very important to them. It says more about you than you can ever imagine. You don't have to be a hunk to attract women. Sure there are those who do, but take a closer look and they will also have paid attention to the details that women notice and that just adds to the appeal. I hate to say it but heels are somewhat irrelivant to the whole thing, they just add spice. KH, I love your thread, most inspirational. Simon.

[Bubba136]

-- the trick is BEING YOURSELF. If you like wearing heels, freestyling, etc. do it. The rest always seems to follow.--

and:

I think pulling off 1 in 10 things that kneehighs has done is quite ambitious for anybody. I find his experiences riveting and a true learning experience. I think the trick is to read, learn and apply to only what it is YOU desire. I think the difference lies in motive, Like kneehighs, I had spend many years playing the field with the ladies, had the time of my life and did it my way. What could be better!

Herein lies the truth. The key to unlocking the secret of success. Not just in wearing heels or dressing in public but to life in general. Selective application of knowledge learned to suite your individual goals, personality and and lifestyle is paramount to uncomplicated (happy) living.

As the "commercial saying" goes, "you only go around once" -- and this philosophy insures that the "go-round" is pleasant.

[kneehighs]

Simon--that's right, partially. Now more so than ever before, I believe that one's inner state is actually more important than one's outer appearance. It's a combination of inner and outer power. Hence, goals. If you filter your entire life experience through your goals, you wind up having frames for everything in life. And generally, he with the most powerful frame dominates and wins. Considering that most people don't take the time to figure out their goals and therefore their frames, it's no wonder that he who goes through life with goals (and thus frames) always winds up on top in everything.

[Thighboots2]

KH, Whilst I agree it is the whole person - following your journey of discovery, it wasn't always so. Your development, which you have documented so nicely, didn't deal at all with the inner state at first, and was more concerned with developing a style statement. Your "adventures" allowed you to both develop your new style (which you seemed to get right almost immediately) and thus lead you to be able to focus on the more important aspect of backing up the intial attraction generated by your appearance with the far more important interesting personality. How often have you seen a really attractive woman yet been turned off a few moments later by the initial conversation. It is still the case though that what is seen is the opening gambit, and this needs to be backed up. A careful balance of the inner and outer self, and whilst that is different for each person, the principles you continue to demonstrate apply to all. Simon.

[Bubba136]

KH,

"Your development, which you have documented so nicely, didn't deal at all with the inner state at first, and was more concerned with developing a style statement. Your "adventures" allowed you to both develop your new style (which you seemed to get right almost immediately) and thus lead you to be able to focus on the more important aspect of backing up the initial attraction generated by your appearance with the far more important interesting personality."

"It is still the case though that what is seen is the opening gambit, and this needs to be backed up. A careful balance of the inner and outer self, and whilst that is different for each person, the principles you continue to demonstrate apply to all." Simon.

Plan, execute, observe and analyze.

Every person commenting on this forum began their participation from a "initial" starting point. Questions, anxieties, analyzing advice and application of theory results in gaining confidence and quelling apprehensions that all account for onward development.

That being said, Kneehighs pointing toward achieving set goals is paramount. Viewing progress from a starting point, advancing forward toward goal attainment can only be achieved by incrementally executing well planned elements that have been identified through careful and honest analysis.

It is the process that a person carries out that is responsible for (improving?) their "total" image. Appearance, actions, speech and personal behavior. How many new members happened upon this site and were astoundingly relieved to find that they were not alone in this world. They are not the only man on the face of this earth that loves to wear high heels. Suddenly, all of their doubts, fears and desires have a rational explanation. And, the sorting out process began. Self-analysis as to exactly what they wanted from their desire to wear high heels. (If you're looking for excellent examples of this, just check back into the archives and follow the evolution of JeffB and HappyFeat -- just to name two -- from their joining the forum to the point that they have reached, today.)

While we establish our individual goals based upon what we are seeking to achieve, the process is the same. Reaction to each step towards reaching our goal is noted, analyzed, the next step planned, then taken.

This process is identical for what ever you want to achieve. Personality improvement, image enhancement, confidence building, intellect expansion, career development. And, yes, even wearing high heels in public.

But, success depends upon the setting a "realistic" goal and then working towards attaining that goal.

[Thighbootguy]

Bubba136 -

I agree that "advancing forward toward goal attainment can only be achieved by incrementally executing well planned elements that have been identified through careful and honest analysis" is probably the best way to get where you want to go, but there are those of us that get somewhere by blindly stumbling from one event to the next and are just happy to have finally gotten anywhere.

Too much planning stifles the spontaneity of the journey and lessens the excitement of arriving somewhere unexpected.

For the critics of this lack of technique that suggest, 'you might arrive somewhere that you don’t want to be', all I can say is, "Yeah, that happens to".

[Bubba136]

Bubba136 -

I agree that "advancing forward toward goal attainment can only be achieved by incrementally executing well planned elements that have been identified through careful and honest analysis" is probably the best way to get where you want to go, but there are those of us that get somewhere by blindly stumbling from one event to the next and are just happy to have finally gotten anywhere.

Too much planning stifles the spontaneity of the journey and lessens the excitement of arriving somewhere unexpected.

For the critics of this lack of technique that suggest, 'you might arrive somewhere that you don’t want to be', all I can say is, "Yeah, that happens to".

Thanks for your feedback, TBG.

I believe that most of us -- to some extent -- fall into the spontaneous

(accidental) category -- for (or at least) most of our desires. And I agree that over planning does take all the fun out of goal chasing. But, then again, it depends on how badly and quickly the "pursuer" wants to achieve those goals.