I hate women

[Pumps]

Bold statement I know, but if there's the whole freestyling think has done anything, it has made me hate women. Everytime I encounter maliciuos and spiteful women in public or I see the usual illogical and narrow minded it makes me so angry. It should be so simple. If women can wear anything, so should a man be able to. End of story. The fact that women despite that keep making the same statement like "looks so gay" or "why can't men just be men" amazes me. Why can't they see the obvous double standard ? No, I truly hate them.

[shyguy]

Kind of a sweeping generalisation there, not all women say those things, so you can't hate all women. Look at the posts on this forum from johnieheel and others about their supportive partners. My wife is not supportive but if you met her I'd hope you wouldn't hate her. Just my opinion of course, but more positive sentiments are probably better for the "cause" long term than negatives like hate.

[fastfreddy2]

I asked about your unfortunate situation in Oxford Street (still not heard back from that). Like the remarks on this thread, it does need some further explanation? Surely?

While shopping in Luton the other day, two young girls described some boots in Faith as "so tranny". Took me a week to go back and try on some other boots from the same shop. <too narrow anyway>.

While at Hemel Hempstead yesterday, while buying some boots obviously for me, the two girl sales assistants there described a style of skirt as "so gay". Might well have been talking about me, but they were just about about old enough to be out alone without their mothers. I've got shoes with more experience of life, than the two of them put together.

I've found older women a little more accomodating. They've been a round a while longer, and are "not so 'green' (wet) begind the ears". They've 'been there', 'seen that'.

So, spill the beans?

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[Firefox]

Actually most women are much more supportive, on the whole, of the freestyling thing than men are. It is men who become more aggressive because they have this thing wired into them about the male sex being dominant and the status quo of the pack being maintained. So any perceived attempt to weaken the male sex is met with aggression. Women on the other hand empathise a lot more with the male's softer side. Also you have to remember that many people can't think for themselves. There are 50% of people with an IQ less than 100 and that's a lot people! When certain of these people have been brainwashed by society and can't break out of that loop it's pretty sad. You should be taking pity on them, not hating them for an inadequacy they can't help. Hopefully by gentle education a few of them will reach better conclusions eventually. Some are lost causes, but conversion of a few of the ignorant ones is better than non at all.

[fastfreddy2]

Actually most women are much more supportive, on the whole, of the freestyling thing than men are. It is men who become more aggressive because they have this thing wired into them about the male sex being dominant and the status quo of the pack being maintained. So any perceived attempt to weaken the male sex is met with aggression.

Well put.

I agree the 'dominant' gene.

I think there's also an issue over experience. People exposed to new things get used to seeing new things. Those with insular lives tend to despise anything they are unfamiliar with. Young people with no life experience, are hardly going to understand men wearing heels, because in their limited lifetime, it's nothing they will have seen before. [Well, very very very unlikely the would have seen.]

Young adults who have travelled away from their home town into a city, will have met and socialised with gays and TV's by the time they've reached 30. Not had a relationship with, but had social activity that would have placed them under the same roof, somewhere. Women may even have a close friend or friends who cross the gender border or freestyle.

Women talk more than men about sensual subjects, so I'd expect them to 'carry' a broader range of experience through their friend network too. [aka Gossip.]

By the time most adults with any sort of life experience get to 40, they've seen everything, done everything, and maybe 'got the tee-shirt'.

Compare the attitude of the two 18 year olds (I'm being generous here) at River Island yesterday, and mentioned earlier, to the 2 women at Bluewater House of Fraser working in the ladies shoe section. They were very professional and courteous. I felt so welcome, I even asked if men trying on shoes was unusual. Apparently they have 'regular' customers, some of whom are obviously TV's (arrive en femme), and some others who come dressed in regular mens clothes. From time to time someone new they don't know arrives, one of whom would be me. [i think the Prada's are going back though .... but I'm keeping the KG's.]

House of Fraser is a bit up-market from River Island, but it wasn't the only difference......

"Pumps" was around 2 hours after he first started this thread, so maybe we'll never get to the bottom of the problem he experienced?

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[Arctic]

Also keep in mind that language evolves. What sounds offensive and sexually coloured to us, does not necessarily do that to another generation. I've been in numerous high level business meetings where non-native English speaking thirty-somethings in expensive suits use the word "Fucking" as some kind of amplification term, usually replacing "very very". As in "Our experience tells us that it can be fucking difficult to enter the Chilean market with a product that has not been adjusted to local preferences". Long gone are the times that people in certain businesses linked "fucking" to anything involving intercourse. And it doesn't offend me or anyone in my working circle at all. So when a teenager calls a skirt "gay", she maybe means something else. But then, also I am not a native English speaker. PS Where are the times when "gay" meant "happy"....

[thedesigner]

soulmate often sez when we're shopping ,theyre tranny shoes, meaning theyre right for me.... we're now competing on height, so thats cool... as for i hate women, hmm never had anti comments from any except exwife.... uve had bad luck to say the least.... dont get a downer on it, i asked in KG for a size 6 in heels and made out they were for me, actually for soulmate (this time)... no rasied eyebrows etc, except for the size perhaps (we are the same !!)

[fastfreddy2]

Also keep in mind that language evolves. What sounds offensive and sexually coloured to us, does not necessarily do that to another generation.

Long gone are the times that people in certain businesses linked "fucking" to anything involving intercourse. And it doesn't offend me or anyone in my working circle at all.

So when a teenager calls a skirt "gay", she maybe means something else.

But then, also I am not a native English speaker.

For someone who doesn't speak English as a first language, you show a remarkable understanding of it.

You are absolutely on the money about the 'gay' remark. It's meant as a 'slight' (mild insult) and will not have any sexual connotation at all. Same goes with the 'tranny' remark, they were girls boots in a Branded make shop well known for its girlie/girl shoes and boots. What else could they be but 'girlie' boots?

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[roniheels]

Most of the women who have made comments about me or the high heels that I'm wearing have been in a positive vane. But, most of those women have been "middle aged" women. Much older women give me dirty looks and much younger women snicker and make silly remarks. It just doesn't bother me any more. I relish the kind, fun remarks and blow off the negative. It's ironic that some of the more non flattering remarks come from young women with absolutely no fashion sense and many that could use some grooming lessons. I may look "odd" to some in a man's suit and feminine high heels, but by golly I'clean, groomed and dapper.

[thedesigner]

nowadays, gay = bad sick = good when soulmate said tranny, it was not a generallisation, it was related to me, so thats cool, and indeed a compliment.... ps whats the difference between a straight carpenter and a tranny carpenter? a straight carpenter screws, and a tranny carpenter....nails see u at ikea !!

[Pumps]

You really just have to look at the comments in this blog to see what I mean:

http://hipcandy.blogspot.com/2007/03/style-verdict-hetero-men-in-heels.html

The ones who are too polite to laugh and give you a dissaproving look i public, this is what they are thinking.

[ShockQueen]

You really just have to look at the comments in this blog to see what I mean:

http://hipcandy.blogspot.com/2007/03/style-verdict-hetero-men-in-heels.html

The ones who are too polite to laugh and give you a dissaproving look i public, this is what they are thinking.

I read that some time ago, and it's all so negative by those who still flounder in the 20th century. Many of us have progressed and grown by now, and if those small-minded few cannot handle it, then poofy on them. I've been given compliments by many ladies who think they look good on me, so I think that article just focused on bad vibes, and that's what the original poster from HipCandy was looking to get.

[raymond.nl]

Over on hipcandy I read: "It was almost painful scrolling through the vast majority of disgustingly pitiful, prejudiced women here. As a gal myself I have no problem with a man who wants to wear heels."

Please don't let the screaming minority determine your view of the world! Of all the women (friends) I've told about my heeling, I've had both positive and negative responses, but those reactions were always respectful.

As I recently discovered I'm actually proud of my desire to wear heels. It asserts me being different, unafraid, stylish and able to define "me" irrespective of what other might or might not think.

And all that aside, I love women!

[JeffB]

You really just have to look at the comments in this blog to see what I mean:

http://hipcandy.blogspot.com/2007/03/style-verdict-hetero-men-in-heels.html

The ones who are too polite to laugh and give you a dissaproving look i public, this is what they are thinking.

Not to sound vulgar, but screw what they're thinking! Don't pay any attention to garbage like that. Clearly those harpies and shrews still have their tiny minds set in early 20th century concrete and refuse to break free and evolve. In my experiences wearing heels in public, both at work and in societal settings, I've gotten nothing but kind words and compliments from women, I've had women tell me I wear heels better than they do, hell, several years ago, a female co-worker asked me to help her pick out a nice pair of heels for a party she was attending because she valued my taste in women's shoes! Not all women are as ridiculously narrowminded as the troglodytes on that board. Bottom line, don't paint an entire gender with so broad a brush because they don't all think or feel that way.

[fastfreddy2]

You really just have to look at the comments in this blog to see what I mean:

http://hipcandy.blogspot.com/2007/03/style-verdict-hetero-men-in-heels.html

The ones who are too polite to laugh and give you a dissaproving look i public, this is what they are thinking.

While there are plainly remarks from people who find men in heels unattractive, was I mistaken in reading remarks from men and women who either didn't care or were very 'pro' men having the freedom to do what they liked?

Looking at the diction and writing style of the detractors, I'd propose many were barely out of school, or didn't spend enough time there to start with? I know from recent experience, younger types are (always ~ possibly) going to be the worst critics of men wearing heels. Mostly because they have no experience of "regular" life, much less the "irregular" lifestyle that many here indulge in.

I've no idea who coined the phrase, but it exists; "The ignorance of youth."

They are not the only layer of society who would be critical of course, but they are more likely to not have developed the social skills to know when to keep their views to themselves.

You should also consider the effect of being a "keyboard hero". These are people who can ignore the normal demands of everyday life, because they are sat at home or in the office, alone. They can take on the 'keyboard' personality of someone they are not, specifically someone with a voice. I'd say a high percentage of these keyboard hero's when confronted face to face, would not voice the strong views they appear to have sat behind a keyboard.

The link takes us to a number of what I would describe as mixed remarks from people with not particularly challenging intellectual skills. I like to think I'm fairly sensitive and prone to over-sensitivity if anything, but the link left me unconcerned?

I've read much, much worse on r/wing activist forums.

If anything about the remarks made on the link is shocking, it's finding such closed minds on what alludes to be a Fashion page. But that is their problem, and I'd suggest we shouldn't let it become ours.

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[raymond.nl]

I've no idea who coined the phrase, but it exists; "The ignorance of youth."

In defense of my daughters: they happen to like my heels! My eldest said so yesterday!

(ok, ok, she's still in kindergarten...)

[benno]

Don't ever say you hate women. It's a hideous statement. Why not just say that you find the viewpoint of some people (men and women) hateful.

I have always thought that Feminism was about women becoming empowered and able to become more masculine if they so desired. It has reached a point where some sort of power, albeit media manipulated, has been achieved. So next comes Masculinism. However most people ignorantly believe that entails men becoming more manly, chopping things down, fighting, having hairier chests, drinking more beer and battering their partners more often, etc, etc.

Masculinism in relation to Feminism means men becoming more feminine. There will of course be a backlash from men and women in exactly the same way that there was massive opposition to early feminism.

So strap on your heels and move the world on a little. I'd rather be laughed at by some uneducated teenagers on Oxford Street than throw myself under the King's Racehorse.

I've often heard you only need to do or see something ten times before you go from hating it to liking it. Think of smoking, drinking strong alcohol or eating food that is considered a delicacy. I hated Caviar the 1st time I tasted it, now I think it's great. Some things are horrible at first but you soon get to like it.

Also please, please bear in mind that putting on a pair of feminine heels without paying any attention to the rest of your outfit does look awful. It's all about balance and proportion. I find women that only wear high heels really dull, and believe me I think high heels are one of the greatest inventions ever.

On a final note... For what its worth. Heels were really popular for both sexes as a sign of wealth and status until the French Revolution, when they were abandoned as wearing them was a little like swanning about in a crown and an ermine robe sticking two fingers up to the recently victorious working Proletariat. You would probably have been beaten to death in the street for being an aristocrat.

[r1g0r]

Bold statement I know, but if there's the whole freestyling think has done anything, it has made me hate women. Everytime I encounter maliciuos and spiteful women in public or I see the usual illogical and narrow minded it makes me so angry. It should be so simple. If women can wear anything, so should a man be able to. End of story. The fact that women despite that keep making the same statement like "looks so gay" or "why can't men just be men" amazes me. Why can't they see the obvous double standard ?

No, I truly hate them.

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i'm so sorry you hate women. sex must be a real pain in the ass!

r1g0r (ducking now to avoid any thrown objects)

[Pumps]

Please don't let the screaming minority determine your view of the world!

Minority ? Really ? I'd think that of women as a whole about 5% will be positive about men in heels.

[Bubba136]

Well put, FF!

[Pumps]

They are not the only layer of society who would be critical of course, but they are more likely to not have developed the social skills to know when to keep their views to themselves.

That's really not the point. It's not the actuall comment or laughter I'm talking about, but rather the attitude behind it. That some people hide it really doesn't change anything.

You should also consider the effect of being a "keyboard hero". These are people who can ignore the normal demands of everyday life, because they are sat at home or in the office, alone. They can take on the 'keyboard' personality of someone they are not, specifically someone with a voice. I'd say a high percentage of these keyboard hero's when confronted face to face, would not voice the strong views they appear to have sat behind a keyboard.

Well, actually the views that come out here, may be the views people are to polite to tell you to your face. It doesn't change the fact they don't accept your right to fashion freedom.

The link takes us to a number of what I would describe as mixed remarks from people with not particularly challenging intellectual skills. I like to think I'm fairly sensitive and prone to over-sensitivity if anything, but the link left me unconcerned?

I've read much, much worse on r/wing activist forums.

Is that supposed to make me feel better ? I think the remarks in that blog were bad enough.

[Pumps]

Don't ever say you hate women. It's a hideous statement. Why not just say that you find the viewpoint of some people (men and women) hateful.

I haven't that many bad views from men.

I have always thought that Feminism was about women becoming empowered and able to become more masculine if they so desired. It has reached a point where some sort of power, albeit media manipulated, has been achieved. So next comes Masculinism. However most people ignorantly believe that entails men becoming more manly, chopping things down, fighting, having hairier chests, drinking more beer and battering their partners more often, etc, etc.

Sounds like the man women want,yes.

Masculinism in relation to Feminism means men becoming more feminine. There will of course be a backlash from men and women in exactly the same way that there was massive opposition to early feminism.

The difference is that we finally accepted female fashion freedom and now they won't accept ours and it's so ridiculous I wanna scream.

[Bubba136]

Pumps, I am at a loss to fully understand your problem. On one hand, I think that you're afraid to appear in public because you fear the criticism -- either overt or covert. Then again, I think you wear heels in public but have a "pick" with people that you preceive don't approve, regardless wheather or not they react negatively either in front of you or behind your back. I've worn heels in public for over 25 years now. And, I've actually experienced just about every kind of reaction you can imagin. Over the years, I've kinda developed a philosophy regarding "reactions." That is to ignore the negative ones and acknowledge the favorable or positive ones. Now then. This whole experence boils down to the fact that if you want to wear heels out and about in public, then be prepared to handle any negative reaction that will come your way either frontally or behind your back. Otherwise, keep your heels at home in the closet and only wear them when you are at home alone. There is no such thing (yet) of a "thought" police. So, get over it, get on with it, or get out of it.

[benno]

Pumps You have highlighted exactly what I was saying. Something different, challenging and new and not 'normal' will be met with raised eyebrows and sometimes childish, nasty comments. Think yourself lucky that you can wear heels and be allowed out of the house. You can't even be legally gay in many countries. Feminism was met by hatred and violent arrests. All the women were doing was trying to highlight unfairness and gain some rights in a male dominated world. I'd much rather be a man wearing men's shoes than the average woman with unfair work expectations and the majority of childcare slapped on them. If you don't like the comments then take your heels off and tell your grandchildren you couldn't be bothered to try to make the world a fairer place because some kids said some nasty things on a street. You are a man wearing heels and as such you will get uncomfortable situations.

[Pumps]

Pumps, I am at a loss to fully understand your problem. On one hand, I think that you're afraid to appear in public because you fear the criticism -- either overt or covert. Then again, I think you wear heels in public but have a "pick" with people that you preceive don't approve, regardless wheather or not they react negatively either in front of you or behind your back.

Again, It's NOT about reactions, but about attitude. If you have read any of my streetheeling posts you will know that I'm NOT affraid to go out in heels. Hell I have even worn womens shoes to my moms and to work.

What IS the problem is the attitude that women have against men nearing anything remotely feminine. Basically it's the support of this double standard that has coloured my view of women to the point where I actually hate them. It's not a choice it's just a reaction.

[benno]

You say we have accepted women's fashion freedom. Yes we have 100 years after they asked for 'us' to accept it!!! In the early 70s my mum was sacked from a job because she refused to wear seamed stockings to please the boss. It was an office job with no visual contact with customers. It's not like she was a Playboy bunny!!! It's not all women that are negative only some. My own girlfriend and lots and lots of women that I know think it's amazing that I wear whatever I want to. It's when you say you hate women that I take offence. Why not go further and say you hate people that drink tea because someone that once said something nasty to you likes tea?

[Pumps]

You say we have accepted women's fashion freedom. Yes we have 100 years after they asked for 'us' to accept it!!!

In the early 70s my mum was sacked from a job because she refused to wear seamed stockings to please the boss. It was an office job with no visual contact with customers. It's not like she was a Playboy bunny!!!

As other's have already said. It's not all women. That's what I take offence at.

Well we all seem to put people in boxes don't we. As generalisations go my percentage is pretty high. Maybe if I came by a woman who actually said that she liked men in heels, things would change, but as long as everywhere I look and read, the views are as expressed as in the linked blog, I can help but let it affect my view of women in general.

[benno]

You need help. You can't take offence from a teenage blog with a 50 50 split of negative and postive reactions to a pretty extreme way of dressing. I give up.

[Pumps]

You need help. You can't take offence from a teenage blog with a 50 50 split of negative and postive reactions to a pretty extreme way of dressing.

I give up.

It was an example. It's like that everywhere the subject of men in any kind of feminie clothing comes up. Everywhere ! I dare you to prove me wrong.

[Tljakes]

It was an example. It's like that everywhere the subject of men in any kind of feminie clothing comes up. Everywhere ! I dare you to prove me wrong.

I agree, it's as if women think they have the patent right to "claim" what ever they wear (or start to wear for that matter). If they wear something from men's wardrobes it's a "sexy masculine" look if men wears anything nearly resembling feminine its seen as crossdressing and men as Transvestites (no offence to either) women created the walls we now have to break down to wear high heels or what ever they claimed to be theirs.

And don't think they'll let those baricated walls fall easilly.........