High Heeled Pointed Toe Shaped Feet!

[Histiletto]

Looking in the girls section there are threads which discuss the effects of wearing high and pointed toe heels on some wearers. Although it has been the girls/women who ultimately made the choice to wear the heels that caused them to suffer preventable foot problems and to shape their toes into a type of the pointed positions, their choices were often encouraged by society and the men they were with or knew. Yes, these men wanted the women they were with or saw to be their ideal vision of what society is promoting and women were in the mindset to follow these social ideals. Had these same social requirements to wear high heels been in the men's selections, perhaps women wouldn't have had to suffered so much for their wanting to live up to society's expectations that were promoted. Certainly, if men were socially heeling, they would not have been so quick to let women buy heels that didn't fit, sometimes several sizes to small just to fill the need of beauty, especially if men knew the pain women were enduring to meet the status quo. This is way too late, but I feel we ought to apologize for our part in making women feel they had to achieve and suffer for all of society's intent to have the sculped beauty of wearing the high heels that often were not always the best fit for their sizing. No wonder, many women have quit wearing high heels thinking they are torture accessories. As male heelers, we usually don't put up with heels that cause us to suffer to the extent many women have endured. We sing the praises of wearing high heels for their comfort and good styling, because we haven't been under the pressure to look more petite and slender to the point near starvation. We are encouraged to be more physically fit and we shy away from the appearance of any obesity to wear heels, which I perceive as a good effect and motivation from heeling.

[jwhite44]

... but I feel we ought to apologize for our part in making women feel they had to achieve and suffer for all of society's intent to have the sculped beauty of wearing the high heels that often were not always the best fit for their sizing..

I totally disagree with this statement. Can heels be uncomfortable, sure. But so can miniskirts on a cold day, a corset, any type of plastic surgery. Heck, even some women might complain that wearing lipstick is a major hassle.

But your "apology" might as well be saying, "I'm sorry you went thru that discomfort because you didn't have the ability to choose to do something else." With a statement like that, you basically slander every women who wears heels. It sets the whole women's rights movement back I don't know, 40 years or so, making them look like they can't make a proper decision on they own.

The reality is that many, many of us do things because of peer pressure. Do some women feel compelled to wear higher heels, because that seems to be the fashion trend? I'm sure. But how many of us bought a larger house or nicer car than we could afford, or bought their kids cell phones or ipads, because you needed to "keep up with the Jones...".

Maybe it's just my circle of acquaintances, but VERY few women wear anything close to a high heel, a lot of makeup, tight fitting clothes, or similar items. They are all choosing to wear what they want, without much concern for what peer pressure. And for those that do decide to dress like that, I doubt it's all bad. If you're wearing 5" heels, a mini skirt, spent some time putting on your makeup, I'm sure if you're at a bar, you probably won't have to pay for your own drink the entire night. And, if you're pulled over by the police on the way home, I bet there's a good chance they talk themselves out of a ticket. Suddenly, all the "aggrevations" of dressing for beauty can easily become advantages.

[pussyinboots]

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[JNR]

It's not like women didn't have any choice in the matter. The desire to "conform" to ever changing fashions is strictly an individual choice. Some females eagerly choose to go along with ever new fashion in the belief that it will increase their attractiveness to members of the opposite sex.

Weather this is actually the case or not, I really believe "men" do not have any say in this issue. Granted, men are selfish and tend to gravitate toward women wearing the most recent sexual enhancing fashions, but then again, who can blame them when the skin men love to touch is usually covered by clothing of some sort?

Apologize, I think not.

[Mindsflight]

If a person is expected to walk off a clifftop...the fact remains that he has a choice. If a person chooses to conform to expectations, they do so because they will benefit in some sociological way. Women are not slaves to expectations, they are free to choose there own image, as are men. I have conversed with women that will complain that men have forced them to wear heels as a sexual device against them, but in the same breath they will say that only females should have the right to wear heels... wherever there is an opinion , there will be opposition, just for the sake of opposing....These are the opinions of female supremisists (modern feminists acting after 1990's when gender equality shifted toward female dominancy) not feminists. I apologize if this makes no sense or is out of context...

[Charlie]

I'm with jwhite44 on this. I wear high heeled boots despite the fact that there's no peer pressure to do so whatsoever. I do so because I like them and just about every woman I know who wears heels likes doing so as well. How do I know this? They spot my well concealed high heeled boots and strike up conversations with me. As far as office dress codes go, we all have to make adjustments, but I've never seen one that specified a minimum heel height for women? If anything, I'd like an apology from all the morons in the world who think it's their personal duty to comment on what others choose to wear. By morons, I'm refering to the fools on the street that throw negative comments, not anyone here. lol Charlie

[Olounda]

I think what Histilletto is saying, is that sure, women had a choice in the matter, they could choose to do plastic surgery, they could choose to wear whatever shoes they want, but the point that he is trying to make, is lets say that you have a girlfriend, who is someone who chooses not to follow the trends of society. she does her own thing, maintains a healthy lifestyle, and lives a normal life. On a random outing you both go to a shoe store, and she tries on a sexy pair of heels, and you say "You look fantastic in those!" That remark right there, triggers the brain to think a) give me more compliments please!!! and he likes me in these? I guess I should buy them. Immediatly you notice that she starts doing "trendy" things, because she recieves compliments, and you like them. My point is, as men, we have the ability to love our women for who they are, and not what "trends" they wear. Tell them they look great without heels, or in whatever outfit they choose to wear. As you feed them compliments that dont have to do with attire, the ones that do, wont seem so heavy, or conforming to them. That all made more sense in my mind lol /10ihopeyoucanunderstands

[Charlie]

I hear what you're saying Oluunda and there's an element of truth to it, but it certainly doesn't warrant an apology on the part of men. When the day is done in your example, she's wearing the heels for her own personal gain in garnering more compliments. Charlie

[Histiletto]

Thanks Olounda! Your account was helpful in saying some of the points in clearer terms. Recently, I visited a shoe store and after reviewing their selections, I made a choice to try on a pair in the size I usually wear from this particular brand. They looked and felt great, but seemed a little loose. So I asked to try on a size smaller. These went on just about as easy and they also felt great as I wore them in the store for a few minutes longer trying choose switch pair to go with. The toe box of the smaller size was a bit more snug but I figured they would stretch out after wearing them a while, so the smaller pair was chosen. I kept them on in making the purchase, which felt great. Then I wore them to my car and all the way home. After wearing them around the house for quite a while, the smallness of the toe box became more of a factor when the natural tendency for feet to swell in the latter part of the day happened. I felt I could weather this, because shoes usually stretch a little being worn. Well, towards bedtime, the pain became a bit too much and I had to take them off and put on another pair of heels that was more comfortable. The next day, I put on the smaller pair again, but the heels hadn't stretched enough and the discomfort was more unbearable. I contacted the store to see what they could do to help me out. Using a shoe stretcher was a free over night service they offered. Apparently, this wasn't the first time it had to be done for their customers. Well to bring this adventure in heel purchasing to a happy ending, the stretching was successful and these smaller pair of heels have become one of my favorite selections to wear. In relating this experience, I thought of the many times I had been disappointed when the heels I most wanted were no longer available in my size and even the smaller pair didn't fit. Then I thought of the women who found themselves in similar circumstances, feeling they had to have these certain heels and having to choose the smaller size like I had done, because they were the only pair left that came close to fitting. They had probably worn other heels that seemed small at first, but then the shoes stretched out and became comfortable enough that wearing them wasn't as harsh as when they were new. Now that they had chosen the heels they really wanted and as long as they were walking, the activity kept their feet from hurting. Once they weren't walking, their feet start to feel the pressures of the smaller sizing to where they searched for chances to slip the heels off, if only for a minute to wiggle their toes and revive the circulation and then slip them on again. So, what does this have to do with anything you say? People want to look their best and sometimes their choices may cause them discomfort. When the reason your significant other looks attractively desireable is because they want to satisfy your image of beauty and this also causes them to develop ailments or impairments, wouldn't you feel some remorse or sadness for being at least part of the reason for their suffering. This is the reason I feel an apology is in order. We may not have put a gun to their heads or forced them into doing something that they had no say about, but many women have endured much just to endear their relationship for the guy they love and care about. They might even put up with your squeezing the toothpaste from the wrong end. So, apologizing or at least say you are sorry, when you think you are not responsible, may help you to realize the good you receive from your soul mate.

[susiheels]

Hi histoletto and all other suporters,

its very nice to see that there is so much thinking (and concern) about this very female subject, which was discussed first in the all womens board.

I have to admit, that I have learned something from your arguments. I already thought that wearing high heels with all the consequences was or is my very own will and decision. Fashion is also important but its me, making decisions... O.K. my bf likes my choice of footwear but its me, making decisions...

But you are right: there are more influences from society than I wanted to concede at first.

In my case it started in my early teens, when my mother was forcing me to wear patent leather shoes for special occasions like teas or concerts. The had a 4 cm heel and were not to pointed but quite narrow and the materal was rigid and unflexible, maybe they were also too small in size. When I complained I was told that they look so dainty and cute and that a real woman has to suffer for beauty!

So I learned this lesson early and when I was buying shoes with my grannie or my parents (I was 13-14 or 15?) I was allways giving in and taking a pair if I got compliments by them or even by the shoe seller, regadless if they were comfortable or not.

And of course a smaller size of the same shoe is allways looking more elegant and "dainty" than a large one...

You are also right with your analysis of the influence of the bf or husbent. My actual bf was telling me at our third or forth date that he really got mad when he saw me the first time in the opera house, were I was acompagning my father, because of my superpointy 5" heels. So he found a way to get in contact with my father and me. With this compliment in my mind I really had choosen (and still choose) my heels to kind of please him, I guess.

As a design collector specialised in the 1960ies, I knew that he also likes the thight superpointies of the early 1960ies. So when a design dealer in zurich was telling us that he had some unworn bally pumps from 1961 and 1962 in his stock, I was the one who asked to try them on. For the dealer it was some kind of a sacrileg to wear these shoes that he has seen as design objects. When we found out that they were 2-3 sizes to small for me, my bf tried to stop me ineffectual but gave in very fast when I told him that they were o.k. because of (inexistent) extra space in the pointed toebox (which was definatly a lie, they are in fact unwearable torture devices). So these 6 paires of high heels became his favoured ones and I always thought that I had to have them. Hm, I guess you are right, the free decision is not as free as the force is a force.

I dont want to complain in general, I really like to look great and I am very fashionable in many ways.

But as a woman I wear my heels on a daily basis and this definatly changed the shape of my feet and toes.

Love

Susi

[eto1999]

Hi Susiheels, How did it change the shape of your feet and toes ? eto

[SleekHeels]

Thanks Susi, that's really thought-provoking...

It sounds like you were really quite surrounded by so many external forces and it's difficult to untangle your free will from that. For most guys who like to wear heels the only external pressure is to hide it. When I've been browsing in shoe shops (always by myself) I've often overheard women (shopping together) saying things to each other like "oh, he'll love you in those" or even just "no, the other ones look better on you"... and it's only since I recently started trying heels on in the store that I realised how many flattering remarks the assistants say to make the sale (whereas with guy shoes it's always about comfort and fit). I don't know how influenced I'd be if I went shoe-shopping with some girl friends and had all their opinions... probably much more influenced than I'd like to think.

Numbers are funny too. I'm a size UK7 which is usually fine, but I've noticed that even when the fit's a bit tight I'll prefer to squeeze into a 7 rather than go up to an 8 and use inserts... and I usually regret it afterwards (exactly like you said, "unwearable torture devices"). We can get hung up on the numbers sometimes, especially with shoes where it's not so visible (whereas squeezing into clothes-sizes too small tends to really show).

When I've had the place to myself is the only time I've worn heels for a long time (all day and then another pair all evening), and even after just a couple of days I noticed my feet changing shape (I could squeeze into shoes that are normally too tight, or shoes that fit fine start to feel loose). And also it's only when I was brave enough to wear my heels outside and walk even just 1km I realised how uncomfortable they can become. I can only imagine how that would be on a daily basis, but having experienced it even just a little has made me much more sympathetic.

I don't think anyone should have to suffer in their heels to look good, and I sure wouldn't force my girlfriend to wear heels all the time - actually if my approval is such a dangerous weapon I should be doing the opposite and reminding her she looks cute in her flats too and to take good care of her feet...

... which makes me wonder (staying on topic) do any of you avoid wearing strappy sandals because of what closed pointy shoes have done to the shape of your feet?

[Histiletto]

(staying on topic) do any of you avoid wearing strappy sandals because of what closed pointy shoes have done to the shape of your feet?

Sandals are not my cup of tea. Even the peep toes haven't found a place in my selections. The enclosed shaping of the court shoes with closed toes have been the heels that make my list of the desired. Switching between pointed toes, almond toes, and oval rounded toes keeps my toes from becoming overly misshapened or deformed.

[gary0618]

WARNING:

Prolonged High Heel Wearing Can Change The Shape Of Your Foot.

Permanently.

[Heel-Lover]

Hi Sleekheels,

... which makes me wonder (staying on topic) do any of you avoid wearing strappy sandals because of what closed pointy shoes have done to the shape of your feet?

for me avoiding sandals is more for comfort. Sure I have sandals and wear them at times, more formal stuff but I have few sandals compared to all other styles. I always wear very high stilettos and at that height when I'm standing in sandals my toes get pressure from the straps (in particular the outside edge of my big toes) and because its focused on a narrow piece of leather rather than a flatter surface they're not as comfortable as a shoe style with more coverage. So I go for peep-toes or pumps with slightly more surface area and support so I can manage them all day. For a shorter time sandals are ok.

Cheers

Heel-Lover

[Waisted_Giraffe]

All In extremis, could end up like this. Though I must admit i find this quite attractive;as a response to the thread in the girls forum, I am intersted in body modification and would be interested in having surgery like this performed. My second toe is longer than my big toe, so end up with it cramped up in the end of my shoes, especially my heels. Buying shoes the next size up to relieve the second toe doesn't help as they become generally too big and sloppy.

[Histiletto]

Hey! Waisted_Giraffe, My first responses to seeing these examples was ouch and then ew. Although I understand the reason for the missing digit from each foot and this may make fitting into pointed toed heels more accommodative, I couldn't have it done. The width of the toe ball joints looks so much out of proportion that it reminds me of the practice of foot-binding. I have had surgery for in-grown toe nails and I have considered completely removing the nails on my outer toes, but that even seems too extreme. No doubt the look of pointed toe heels is attractive, but to surgically make your feet fit the fashion seems like logic gone awry. Then again, this is a personal choice, which is not for me to decide for anyone else. Shucks! I want to get rid of my love handles around my torso to have a thinner waistline, which may be considered just as drastic a body shaping to fit a fashion look.

[chris100575]

Holy crap those are some ugly feet! Actually I'd not noticed the missing toes at first, just their mangled shape. If they were removed to fit into smaller pointy shoes then that is the sickest thing I've seen since Chinese foot binding.

[roniheels]

All

In extremis, could end up like this.

Though I must admit i find this quite attractive;as a response to the thread in the girls forum, I am intersted in body modification and would be interested in having surgery like this performed. My second toe is longer than my big toe, so end up with it cramped up in the end of my shoes, especially my heels. Buying shoes the next size up to relieve the second toe doesn't help as they become generally too big and sloppy.

I am sorry for your foot condition but I don't think you want your feet looking like any of those in those photos. I would definitely get more than one opinion from more than one podiatrist before you do anything drastic.

[susiheels]

Hi wasted Giraffe, thank you for postig the photos. The feet look like I think Aminas feet should look - following her description (exept the ornamentation). Just curious: Is it your gf? Is there a real plus in comfort wearing superpointy heels? I mean, we are doing lots of things to get more perfection for our bodies. Ears, breasts, lips, hair e.g. Where is (or should be) the limit? Is a PM really so differt from a normal tattoo in the face (I dont like tattoos)? I wonder - if her feet wouldnot be tattooed - if somebody would really realize her missing toes, if she would be barefoot on a beach ... Please post more details Best Susi

[Waisted_Giraffe]

Hi, Susi. No, not my GF's (not with anyone at the moment); was a web find; this thread reminded me of some pictures I had seen a long while ago of another woman that had the same done to remove the second toe as she had also worn such pointed shoes. Would guess it is a lot more comfortable to wear super pointed shoes after the amputation From what I remember the other woman's feet didn't look as good following the surgery as there was a gap between the big toe and the middle toe; I can understand peoples reaction to these pictures but as I said before I do find them quite attractive. I quite agree about body mods (not sure what you mean by PM) but they are a very individual taste; I find the idea of various (and extreme) body mods quite attractive but as yet have not brought myself to have any done; would more than likely have hidden piercings, tattoos would definitely be hidden but have no desire. Highly doubt anyone would notice the missing toes, especially as the remaining toes touch up against each other, so there is no void highlighting the removal.

[susiheels]

Hi Giraffe, PM means Permanent Makeup. Its some kind of tattooed eyeliner, eyebrows and (in my case also) lips. I wanted to get a sharper lip line (conture) and fuller lips but I dislike the silicone lip injections because I fear that I will loose my sensibility in my lips (that happend with my breasts after augumentation). Hi Eto, well they are shaped like my pointiest pumps (sort of), the lesser toes are hammered to fit the shape. Susi

[Histiletto]

The "heels" that I was able to wear in my young childhood days were mostly rounded toes, which gave my toes room to grow properly. In my teens, I got access to the more attractive pointed toes and then as a young adult, I went exclusively with the moderately pointed toes and stayed away from the extended long points and bubble toes of the day. Up until about ten years ago, pointed toes were the only styles I wanted to wear, due to the ugliness I perceived for the other toe box fashions on the market before this period. Then the footwear industry started to make some rounded toes less balloony or clownish shaped. Now I have closed toe pumps that includes most shapes, except for the squared and incandescent light bulbed toe shapes. My taste in heels goes for the more streamlined or smooth, compacted, and conservative styling. So, the high stiletto patent classic pumps are the most prevalent models in my footwear choices. Wearing these pointed toe heels has taught me to be vigilent in keeping my toe nails well clipped and in good condition.