Jkrenzer Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 This guy is a clown. I used to be a registered republican, hated it but i did vote for Hillary. Trump was elected due to both parties inability to work together. Even an outsider in republican circles. Bothers me how the party threw away any semblance of morals when he won its primary. They didn't want him, but threw themselves at him to defeat the dems no matter the cost. I'm embarrassed by the current U.S. political system. Every time I keep thinking ut can't get worse and it does. Trump could be the pinnacle of bad, but all the dems can do is give us Biden. Lots of skeletons there too. I ramble, but we need a fresh start, a young, intelligent non partisan who can lead from the center, either party. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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p1ng74 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) That’s an interesting spin. I’ll be sure to keep wearing heels when I go volunteer at the homeless shelters and see if I get turned away. If so I guess we‘ll know where their hearts truly lie. 11 hours ago, Jkrenzer said: I ramble, but we need a fresh start, a young, intelligent non partisan who can lead from the center, either party. It’s good to keep revolution at least in the back of our minds. But party tension plays a role in protecting us from authoritarianism and fascism. All leaders, young, old, smart, and stupid, need to be checked. Countries in the world right now ruled by a single “centrist” party are not countries of prosperity. Edited July 2, 2020 by p1ng74 formatting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkrenzer Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Mistook my meaning, centrist by not being far left or far right. I'm not abdicating single party system by any means. However both parties have have strayed so far off center, dems are almost socialist and republicans are almost neo. We need to meet in the middle to get things done. Trump was elected due to his outsider status, problem is he can't get off his "all about me" mentality. He actually was not right wing until he realized how easy it was to polarize people, but he did it to get elected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p1ng74 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jkrenzer said: Mistook my meaning, centrist by not being far left or far right. I'm not abdicating single party system by any means. However both parties have have strayed so far off center, dems are almost socialist and republicans are almost neo. We need to meet in the middle to get things done. Trump was elected due to his outsider status, problem is he can't get off his "all about me" mentality. He actually was not right wing until he realized how easy it was to polarize people, but he did it to get elected. Centrism has an important role, but in the United States it cannot be the only driving force in governing. Since the founding, the US has been a pluralist union, and we share this land with all sorts of people, on opposite "poles" of many kinds. We would give any president too much credit if we claim that they created the polarization. People have been polarized, right or wrong, for generations. For some things, where there is widespread consensus and overarching impact on everyone, it makes sense for everyone to compromise and be governed by the majority. But in other things, the minority should not be marginalized, and we have to learn how to coexist. Historically, it seems neither political party has been particularly good about protecting minorities, and that is because of centrism. They finally jump in when the conscience of the majority finally makes it an issue for everyone, and then it finally becomes politically advantageous. Centrism is also a key CAUSE of the political apathy we are mentioning here. When both parties sound, look, and stand for the same thing, having both moved to the center, people quit engaging in politics because a vote for either side is meaningless. Take high heels, for example. The centrist majority says women wear high heels, men wear flats. I would not hold my breath for this to be overturned any time soon, nor should I embark on a crusade to change this. But I am free to hold the minority practice of a man wearing heels, and I reject any centrist majority's attempts to change my practice. Edited July 2, 2020 by p1ng74 Typo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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