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  1. The first goal of an advertisement is to get you to look at it. The agency used two topics that seem to attract attention, heels, and a guy wearing them. There have been many posts about what an attention getting device high heels are. At least the folks that post here understand how much fun they are to wear no matter whom is wearing them.

  2. DawnHH -

    Shafted -

    Thanks for the kind words and I like Shafted’s definition of a “Winning combination”.

    Dr.Shoe -

    Shafted -

    I have a pair of denim back zip jeans and a pair of black slacks. I really like both pair but I don’t get too much of a chance to wear them. Last time was I wore then was in Jun 2004.

    JeffB -

    The slacks are not black; they are Carmel as in the picture. That’s why the black turtleneck worked so well.

    I do have a couple of pair of black leather pants that I have worn with my black boots. Wearing them with my blue boots sounds like a good idea.

    The new boots at Sexy Shoes look great.

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    The listing doesn’t say this pair is leather as many of the other listings do.

    The two pair that caught my eye are:

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    I think this a pair from Ellie named Blaze. I have always wanted a pair but haven't had the discretionary income available to buy a pair.

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    I like the interesting top of these boots but again I cant afford them for a litle while.

  3. I wore my leather slacks and granny boots with a turtleneck while shopping again this morning and got no reaction at all. Doing some shopping on the way home from work, I again wore my leather slacks but wore my black pull-on thigh boots with a 4” stiletto heel. This is the pair (Pleaser 8890) with the a metal buckle behind the knees on which I tightened the shafts. The outfit looked good and the temperature was cool enough that the leather slacks and boots were comfortable. I shopped in Bigg’s and Sam’s and took my time. At Bigg’s I was second in line to see the butcher and it took us a while to be served. The guy in front of me looked curious and didn’t appear to be uncomfortanle around a guy in thigh boots but we didn’t strike up much of a conversation. Other than a couple of glances, there was no reaction from anyone. At Sam’s I wandered around the store but there was no reaction at all. Just the color of these slacks make the outfit a little more showey than my normal look with blue jeans and I really thought it would turn a few more heads but everyone just went their own way. The tight leather slacks and thigh boots really feel great to wear togeather and the fall temperatures make it possible. Although my favorite combination is still blue jeans and thigh boots, these leather slacks are going to get some wear.

  4. Glad to hear that Wisconsin, and Minnesota seem to be tolerant of a guy in boots. My bet is you could have worn thigh boots with stilettos and not gotten too much of a reaction on the train. The biker bar may have been a different story. Sounds like you had a great time. Let us know about further outings and you might even give thigh boots a try.

    DawnHH – I thought Magickman’s adventure would toot your whistle. ;)

  5. Dougal –

    I have never mixed my footwear and work. I was surprised that you wore the boots with the platform boots with the steel ring decoration to the office. The brown pair, however, are much more conservative and as the ladies in the office said “they weren't overly feminine”. I think they look great especially over jeans. Something I might be even be able to wear in my office setting.

    I am intrigued by an office environment where you could wear those platform boots with the steel rings. Can you tell us a little about your office environment? Can you also tell us where you found those brown boots? (I’m holding out faint hope they come is a size large enough).

    By the way, I like your avitar a lot but I haven’t been able to find a pair in a 14.

  6. Shafted

    After rereading the account of that meeting, I am still amazed at all the coincidences that made up the morning. And yes, the unsolicited comments mean the most (at least the positive ones).

    Dr.Shoe

    Other than “going on about my boots”, she wasn’t really my cup of tea (with apologies to all the readers in England), but thanks for the thought.

    I wore my leather slacks this morning.

  7. On this morning’s grocery shopping trip I wore my new Rem Garson leather slacks, a long sleeved black turtle neck, and my black granny boots.

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    The slacks, although tight fitting, are very comfortable and I am able to sit and walk easily in them and there are no unseemly bulges. I wore the tail of the turtle neck in the waste of the slacks.

    No one even batted an eye in the grocery. When I finished at the checkout I said, ”I wore something a little different today”. Normally I wear black thigh boots with 4” stiletto heels into the store each morning.

    The clerk replied, “Yes ... I noticed, different is good”.

    I really think this clerk doesn’t like my thigh boots and was glad I was wearing anything else.

    I thought the outfit looked good. The slacks come down to abort 1/2” above the top of the heel so that all but the shaft of the granny boots are visible. The black shirt and the black boots balanced nicely around the slacks.

    JeffB – Thanks for the suggestion of the black turtle neck with these slacks.

  8. Last night I went shopping at Biggs and Meijers without anything notable except a nice smile from a girl collecting carts in the lot.

    This morning I had to get a new drivers license. They are issued at the Kenton County court house in Covington. Since I had to have a picture taken, I wore my best blue dress shirt, slacks and black leather pull-on thigh with 4” stiletto heels.

    Rather than parking in the garage, I parked on the street several blocks away and walked to the court house. This is not the best neighborhood. I walked past the main county building, which also houses the jail and part of the “night life” bar district. There were police, lawyers, people that needed the lawyers, as well as county office workers all over the place and one guy strolling along in high heeled thigh boots.

    I gave a smile and a polite nod to folks that noticed my boots and didn’t look like they wanted to pretend I wasn’t there. A lady was coming across the street and saw me and said, “I don’t know how you walk in those”, and she kept on going.

    She went into the same Court house I was going into and I caught up with her at the security checkpoint. I emptied my pockets and went thought the metal detector, and yes, the security guards noticed my boots but didn’t say a thing. As we were picking up our stuff I said, “It’s just a matter of getting used to them”.

    I asked the security guard where the drivers license office was and headed for the elevator and the same lady was there and going to the same floor. She said something like, “I’m glad I don’t have to wear those”.

    I replied, “For me, wearing them is a matter of choice”. We got off the elevator and went in different directions.

    The clerk in the drivers license office was behind a high counter and never saw my boots.

    As I left the court house there were lots more people coming in but I guess they had their own problems since, for the most part, they ignored me. Outside, the same lady was about 15 feet in front of me. She turned to talk to someone and saw me and I said, “Honest to God, your not being followed”.

    She laughed and said, “Well, at least I could describe the boots”, and she waited for me to catch up. She said, “When I wore heels it felt funny to put trainers on”.

    “There are really quite comfortable”.

    “Really, and you just walk around in them”?

    “This is the first time I’ve been downtown with them and I wasn’t sure how it would go”.

    “You know, back when I was dancing, I was wearing heels all the time”.

    “I have another pair with a 5” heel that is even more comfortable”

    “Really”!

    “Yeah, the geometry of the boot really works, they feel great”.

    We came to the corner where I first saw her and she said, “Well I have to go see my P O (parole officer), I’ve been naughty”, and she headed across the street.

    While I was downtown I went banking again (this was not the bank I went to yesterday). As I walked across the lobby, both clerks saw me and gave me a bright smile. When I finished my transaction, I asked the clerk, “Are these too much for downtown Covington”?

    She didn’t even pause and replied, “Nope, not at all” and gave me a smile.

    Wow … what a morning. This fitting in thing might be fun.

    As I was driving to work I had the radio tuned to a station I don’t normally listen to and John Hartford was singing:

    What's the difference being different

    When it's difference now that looks alike,

    You say I'm changing... I'm not sure that's wrong

    Today it may be natural, sitting here discussing it

    Tomorrow just as natural to be gone.

  9. This morning I had to go the bank again and I stood in the line waiting for the bank to open (again). I was wearing slacks, a dress white shirt and my black leather pull-on thigh boots with 4” stiletto heels. There were three other people in line. The last guy said, “I really like your boots”. “Thanks” “A couple of hundred”? “Nah, about $60 on the web”. An older lady at the front of the line said,”I’ve never seen boots like those for a guy”. The last guy said, “There’s stranger things than that out there”. Two more people joined the line and noticed my boots but didn’t say anything. About then the manager opened the door. He noticed too but didn’t say anything. I got a different teller than my last two times at the bank. She saw my boots as I walked up to the counter. She didn’t mention them but asked me if I had had a good weekend and was very pleasant during the transaction. Maybe I do fit right in. At my morning grocery stop, the gal in produce (who had spoken to me before) gave me a big smile and bid me good morning. From this mornings discussion I learned that the bananas on the outside of the bunch are riper than the ones on the inside. heelsRus – Your absolutely right, it’s a mind game. You have to try going out again. Most people really don’t care what you have on your feet. JeffB- A black turtle neck sounds good as soon as it cools off a little more.

  10. Today has been a weed digging day. I worked in the yard in my flat-heeled thigh boots. Later I went to a pet food store and wore my black leather pull-on thigh boots with 4” stiletto heels. I have been there several times before and no one even batted an eye. Then I went to a new grocery store still wearing my 4” heels. The register clerk said, “I’ve never seen anyone wearing those before” which I took as not negative but not a ringing endorsement.

    On the way out of the grocery, an older lady gave me a sour look that would have curdled milk. That I took as disapproval but you can’t please everyone.

    Friday I went to the local Goodwill (thrift shop) and found these on the pants rack.

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    The price was $6 but it was a 50% off clothing sale so I bought them for $3. The fit is tight but with no unseemly bulges. There is no waistband or pockets and the split at the ankle will show off any heel I have on. I haven’t figured out how I’m going to wear them, but I think the granny boots will work well.

    This is a cool weather garment so I have some time to figure it out. I did try them under my black leather thigh boots with 5” stilettos and they looked good but it didn’t show off the slit on the ankle (since it was inside the boots).

    When I wear my black boots with jeans, there is a minimal color contrast between the blue and black and the jeans terminate with a waste band and belt. The eye is attracted to contrast so dark blue and black dont attract as much attention as say my white boots might. These pants with the black boots have a great color contrast and the color of the pants is a lot closer to my flesh color then the blue jeans. It really is a daring look. Any suggestions (positive or negative) are welcome.

    Heelme –

    dawnHH -

    JeffB -

    Tightlevisandhhboots –

    Thanks for the kind words.

    Try not to confuse “adventurous spirit” with doing something stupid and lack of good sense. I have been known to go off the deep end and it’s nice to have a community that is willing to help pull me back.

  11. This morning I went to downtown Covington city building to pay city taxes. I went in wearing blue jeans, a long sleeved dress shirt, and black leather pull-on thigh boots with 4” stiletto heels. I had parked across the street and about a block away from the city building and didn’t attract too much attention walking to the building. I don’t think the clerk even noticed what I was wearing. I walked back to my car again without too much attention.

    I also had to go to the bank again today ( see yesterdays adventure in granny boots). This time I decided to wear my thigh boots to the bank.

    I waited in line for the bank to open then waited in the lobby for a teller. I got the same teller I had yesterday. When I was done I asked her, “Are these too much for downtown Covington”? I stepped back from the counter.

    “I can’t see”. I stepped further back and turned my foot to show the heel.

    “Nah, there fine. You’ll fit right in”.

    This was not the response I was expecting. I may have to go to Covington more often.

    I had to go to another bank to make a deposit for a friend. Again I waited in line in the lobby. All the tellers saw me and no one even batted an eye. Maybe I will fit right in.

    I did feel more comfortable wearing my thigh boots than my granny boots under my slacks. I’ve just never enjoyed the game of wearing boots or heels and trying to hide them.

    On my way to work, I did my morning grocery shopping. When I walked in, one of the female stock clerks, who I had seen before, glanced at my boots and bid me a cheery good morning and the register clerk was all smiles.

    What a great way to start a day.

    Bubba136 –

    Ouch. But thanks for the honest comments.

    Dr..Shoe -

    I may have given the wrong description of those leather shorts. Let me have another go at it. They are black smooth cow leather and have a 5” inseam. The shorts are tight around my thigh but there is plenty of room to put my hands in the pockets and carry a wallet. There aren’t any unseemly bumps or bulges showing. They aren’t “very tight” shorts and they definitely are not hot-pants.

    I have another pair of suede shorts that are very loose to the extent of almost being baggy that I have worn with thigh boots. They have at least a 7” inseam and come all the way down to the top of my thigh boots. When I wore them I again may have pushed things too far ( see White Boots).

    Thanks everyone for the feedback. It really helps.

    Added note: Guy is not my lifestyle. I have no problem with that community, but I am not a member.

  12. Yesterday I had to go to the bank before I went to work. The bank branch is in downtown Covington. I got there at 8:30 thinking the drive in window would be open but the bank had changed its hours to open at 9:00. That left me with half an hour to kill. I decided to just walk around town a bit. Downtown Covington is almost deserted by businesses and I thought wearing my thigh boots with heels would be too much for the denizens of a deserted downtown to accept so I put on my granny boots Posted Image

    and wore them under my slacks. The pointed toe and full heel were clearly visible, and the new heel tips felt great.

    I walked for several blocks and only got a couple of looks. When I got back to the bank there was a group of people just going in (heaven forbid that the bank should be open when the customers wanted it). I got into the “wait for the next free teller queue” in the middle of the lobby.

    I overheard an older guy (upper 70s) telling one of the tellers, “I saw a guy with a ponytail wearing high heels”. I don’t know if it was the ponytail or the heels that he was concerned about but as luck would have it I was next in the queue when he left so I got the same teller (female, early 30s).

    After I finished my business I said, “I think I’m the guy he was worried about”.

    “But your not wearing high heels”.

    “Oh yeah, I am”, and I stepped back from the counter and went out the door. She had a very perplexed look on her face.

    I nodded to her as I walked passed the drive in window but she was too busy to notice.

    I have worn my granny boots in other branches of the same bank without being noticed or commented upon but I thought this trip was worth sharing.

  13. Heelme -

    DawnHH –

    Again thanks for the kind words. The 5” inseam does not qualify as hot pants. The shorts come to just above mid thigh. As to the skirt, read all about it, and it continues here.

    I have often worn denim shorts with an 1” inseam with normal shoes and I didn't get much reaction.

    I think your right on about thigh boots worn over jeans being more acceptable than being worn with shorts or a skirt.

    The cobbler didn’t offer a choice of heel tip materials. He measured the diameter of the hole and used a tip that fit snuggly.

    I had a different cobbler shorten the heels of my chap boots and I think he put the same heel tips back on. The problem was the tip shaft was loose in the heel hole. I wound up putting a drop of glue on the tip shaft to keep the tips in place.

    Dr.Shoe –

    Thanks. I was afraid it was something like that. I’ll stay away from the leather in the future. To my eye it really didn’t look too extreme but as I said, I’m not a very good fashion linguist.

  14. Today I went grocery shopping before work and again after work. I was wearing a long sleeved white shirt, black leather shorts with a 5” inseam (smooth cow leather, not suede) , and a pair of black pull-on leather thigh boots with 4” stiletto heels. These boots do not have a tight shaft and tend to slide down my leg to about over the knee length or lower. The shorts are tight enough on my legs that there is little air circulation, which is why I haven’t worn them this summer. This is definitely a cool weather garment. I didn’t get real positive feedback. In the morning, I told the register clerk, who I have seen many times, “I really value your feedback” and got a smile that I read as “Yeah, right”. She didn’t say anything, but I got the impression that she didn’t appreciate my outfit. I also think I heard a wolf-whistle as I was walking across the parking lot. During evening shopping most people just ignored me. The lady at the dele counter seemed more uneasy waiting on me than I expected. The register clerk, who I have also seen before, was having a conversation about local schools with the customer in front of me and didn’t give me any more attention than she had to. As I was bagging my groceries, I joined the conversation. They both seemed to relax a little as we talked for a minute. I am not a very good fashion linguist, but the leather shorts may be saying something I didn’t understand or intend. I have done the same things in the same store (with the same boots) while wearing jeans or slacks and didn’t get the feedback I did today. I think I will give the outfit another try because I enjoy the feel of the air on my legs between the hem of the shorts and the top of the boots. I think the look will be improved if I wear my taller, tighter boots with 5” heels that stay up on my leg. I’ll let you know how it goes.

  15. JeffB-

    Shafted-

    I know exactly what you are talking about. Even my thigh boots get little reaction. However, I will still caution against becoming complacent. Carefully pick where you go heeling.

    My observations of people put folks into several categories:

    People too wrapped up in their own affairs to notice the obvious (JeffBs observation)

    People that notice and don’t care

    People that notice and wish they hadn’t

    Giggly girls and insulting guys

    I have mentioned in other posts, high heels are an attention getting device. Women understand that and that’s why they wear them. Us guys are just catching on and were here lamenting that it doesn’t work as well for us.

    The next question is what kind of reaction are women trying to get by wearing high heels? Is that the same reaction us guys want when we wear heels? I don’t have an answer to either question and would welcome some discussion. The caution is, “Be careful of what you ask for”.

    But after all the analysis, going out in heels is still fun.

  16. I went to the cobbler to pick up my white thigh boots. I had new heel tips and toe plates installed. I wore my black pull on thigh boots 3” stiletto heels. He didn’t bat an eye and the other customer in the shop was leaving and didn’t notice my heels.

    When the pulled my white boots off the shelf he asked, “ Wasn’t I supposed to put toe plates on these”?

    “Yeah you were”.

    “I can put them on now if you have a minute”.

    “Have you got time to do these also”, and indicated the boots I was wearing?

    “Sure”.

    I took my black boots off and gave them to him.

    “This one needs a heel tip to, should I put them on”?

    He started to work on my black boots and removed a stubborn heel tip.

    “The heel tips of the white pair came off just by pulling them with my hand”.

    “ They were from the factory”.

    We went on talking about heel tips. I told him that I knew I needed to have the tips replaced when the heel kicked out on the waxed floor at the grocery and that the tips he put on the pair I picked up yesterday really made a difference. He commented about the tip just being rubber and not lasting too long since all the weight is on that small point.

    As he gave me my black boots, I pulled them back on. We got to talking about how few cobbler shops were in the area. He said he receives work from southern Indiana, and Louisville Kentucky (both are a two-hour drive). We went on to talk about the machinery he had in the shop (from 1890) and the history of his shop.

    Never once did he mention or question my wearing thigh boots with heels.

    This guy has a new client.

    Micha –

    You’re right. Having a heel kick out can be embarrassing. The first time it happened to me was several years ago at an art museum in Cleveland Ohio. I wasn’t too confident in heels at the time and took a real miss step on a slick marble floor. I kept going but I was a little red faced and more self aware of my boots and heels. I have noticed that if I project an embarrassed image, people are more apt to take advantage of my embarrassment with their looks and comments.

    Lesson – Learn to walk in heels with confidence and keep the shoes/boots in good repair.

  17. Although “Chick Magnet” is not my style, I do find that more females comment about my boots than males. I only remember two males starting a conversation but then. This forum excluded, wearing heels, and the problems wearing heels, are things more women are familiar with than men are. I do not count shouted insults from moving cars as “conversations”. These comments have always been from men. Women are also generally more interested in the style of shoes than men are so wearing an “interesting” style can be a real attention getter. High heels are an attention getting device. Guess what... it works.

  18. shoeman85

    Welcome to the forum. There are lots of folks here who share their experiences and views on shoes, heels, and boots. Like DawnHH, I hope you will post with us for a while.

    Would you tell us a little about what heels you have worn (or would like to wear)? What is your definition of “sexy shoes”? Are you strictly an indoor wearer or have you tried going out? Do you wear shoes or boots?

  19. DawnHH-

    Not really. When I said, "There is only one way to find out, and my guitar skills are way to rusty for busking.", I should have added, "so maybe Forborkenvv will give it a try and let us know".

    A local radio station periodically dreams up outrageous events then creates them either as radio drama (April Fools day Parade) or sometimes even as real events (Memorial Day fireworks). The station gives credit for these events to their “Committee for Esthetic Public Spectacle”. I think busking in thigh boots sounds like their work. ;)

  20. I was able to get to the cobbler before closing time and I picked up my black thigh boots with 4” heels (8890) and my granny boots both with new heel tips. While I was there I dropped off my white thigh boots for heel tips and top taps. The guy didn’t seem put off or surprised about me bringing in size 14 boots and saying that when I wear them I wear a hole in the toe. I was just another customer and we even shared a comment or two about a news program he was watching. Unfortunately I didn’t have time to change into my white boots before I went in and I had to carry them in. I will wear the black pair when I pick the white ones up.

    What a pleasure new heel tips are to walk on. My 8890s really needed having the tips replaced. After I picked them up I wore them shopping. I went to a pet supplies store (for the second time) and the clerk remembered me and was much less put off about waiting on me. Seems like showing up twice says, “this is really how I dress and the first time wasn’t a fluke”.

    I have mentioned that I tightened the shaft on these boots. They now feel great and stay up at their full length, which makes them, look great.

    DawnHH –

    I hadn’t thought that busking in thigh boots might not be noticed. I was thinking just the opposite, that it might be more of an attention getter and generate more income, but you may be right. There is only one way to find out, and my guitar skills are way to rusty for busking.

    ;)

  21. Long Leather Boot Boy -

    I really enjoyed reading your story. I haven’t found the fascination for PVC boots, but then I haven’t tried them too much. I’ve always found the leather boots more comfortable. I also appreciate how comfortable a leather skirt is.

    How about adding a couple of pictures of your thigh boots?

  22. It’s Friday so it’s jeans day. I did my morning shopping wearing a blue denim shirt and jeans with my white thigh boots with 5” stiletto heels (like Micha has shown us). Walking in I got a sour look from an older guy who was leaving the store. Other than that there was very little reaction at all. The register clerk saw me coming and gave me a nice smile. I said, “I haven’t worn these for a while”, and again got a nice smile. I said, “Oh by the way, my complements to the cleaning crew, the floors here made me realize I needed heel tips”. She said that the crew they were using really did a good job. The reason I noticed that I needed heel tips was my heel kicked out three times while I was walking around. I hope to get to the cobbler shop today to get my black boots and granny boots that are getting new tips. If I get there before closing time, I’ll just trade him my white pair for the black pair and let him work on them. Forborkenvv- If busking in heels works out, try it in thigh boots, you may make a fortune. :wink:

  23. The white thigh boots would be my vote. It depends on how much contrast you want (contrast attracts atteneion). Black on light yellow would be striking and a real attention grabber. The white would be much lower contrast and not as immediately noticed (even though they are thigh boots). I have a pair of stretch jeans similar to that in off-white and they look great with my white boots.

  24. I have been wearing my 8890’s all week and the heel tips REALLY need replacing. The grocery store where I shop has a well polished floor and I have had a heel kick out sideways a couple of times. So… today I took my 8890’s and my granny boots to a local cobbler for heel tips. Unfortunately he wasn’t able to do the work while I waited so I may not have those boots for a week. (My work schedule doesn’t let me to the shop while he is opened).

    I also asked him to put a tap on the toe of the 8890’s. I explained to him that when I walked in them I tended to wear a hole in the leather of the toe tip. I told him about gluing a penny on the tip of my other boots. He recommended a nylon tap that has enough thickness to protect the toe tip. He didn’t seem too bothered by there being my boots. After all I was wearing a flat heeled pair of thigh boots and this is the same shop where I wore my royal blue boots with 5” stilettos a few weeks ago.

    Kneehighs-

    I have never before bin credited with aplomb.

    Thanks for the kind words.

    Fogborkenvv –

    If your lace up knee boots are heeled, its only a little further to heeled thigh boots. I didn’t quite understand, did you wear these lace up boots to Victoria Station?

    The idea of busking in heels is a real nervy endeavor. (Busking is being a street musician). I was not aware of the problem of having to run with your money. If that is a real problem, I don’t recommend heels. You might try a pair of flat heeled thigh boots. If personal safety is a real concern, don’t do it.

    I still am careful about the places I go wearing my boots. I still fight becoming complacent about others reactions.

    DawnHH-

    Micha –

    Again, thanks for the kind words.

    Hero? Give me a break. I’m just a guy that like to wear thigh boots.

    JeffB –

    You may have the more sensible approach to heeling but I do enjoy a little feedback. Have your new boots arrived yet?

    Shafted-

    I’m already a relic. I currently spin yarns about doing data processing with punched cards. I’m not expecting my choice of footwear to become a male fashion in a time that I will still be around to look back on it.

    Dr.Shoe -

    I have always been one to adopt a cause but I didn’t intentionally adopt heeling. I just like to wear boots and the heels were a secondary thing (that I now really enjoy).

    Hellme –

    Welcome to the forum and what a great first post.

    When I got my first pair of thigh boots with stiletto heels, I asked several cobblers about changing the heel style to a western heel and they all turned me down. After a long time of trying to hide those heels I finally decided to go ahead and wear stilettos. After I learned to walk in them, it has been fun ever since. Shafted has good advice, “Enjoy stiletto heeled thigh boots for what they are”.

    Don’t worry about trying the boots on for the bootmaker, I’m sure he want to be sure the boots fit and to be proud of his work. I didn’t understand what else you wear with your boots but if it isn’t too far out for street wear go ahead and show off the craftsman’s work and wear them out of the shop. (I wear hose or trouser socks with jeans and a dress shirt).

    I’m 6” without heels. References to being taller than that included the heel height.

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