Guy N. Heels

Hi there, Thighhighs. Great looking boots! I would like a pair for myself, but I doubt that I can still balance on the narrow heels.

Bingo, on all accounts. From what I've been able to gather here, on other sites, and interviews with store managers who routinely sell heels to men, these are, by far, the predominant reasons, and I think most people who see men in heels know this. Only the ignorant jackasses conjure up non-existent motives which serve no purpose whatsoever save to calm their troubled souls.

DITTO

But one question I would like to posit about the previously mentioned survey (which I don't think I've seen) is exactly what is meant by "sexual arousal" ? Were the respondents saying this because they were experiencing some kind of personal sexual arousal from heels; or were they saying that they expected to provoke some sort of sexual arousal in others (boyfriend, husband, etc.)?

The closest I've gotten to a purse is a laptop computer tote or a briefcase. Not very close-lots bigger in fact.

I dunno. Some of those bags the gals are carrying these days could hold a laptop or a notebook. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they start coming down with some kinda muscle strain.

WEeelll, you've got to bear with me, Taliheels. I sometimes have a bit of trouble focusing on things. At any rate, let us know how things worked out, or will work out, or you hope will work out, or whatever. Aw shucks, maybe it's time for a nitecap and beddie-bye. :drinking: :sleeping:

AHhhhh, the post-poll pundits. Yet I am amazed at most of the comments that still seem to ignore the real purpose of the poll in the first place. So for those who never bothered to read it, I say again:

What would you consider would be the minimum height for a heel to truly be considered a High Heel? ...Please keep in mind that this is not necessarily the minimum heel height that you wear personally, and neither should it be the minimum height that you would like to see (on yourself, girlfriend, wife, boyfriend, etc.). The question is intended to establish the point at which a shoe ceases to be an "ordinary" shoe or boot and falls into the category that any manufacturer, advertiser, seller would call a High Heel.

Having restated the true purpose of the poll, I must say that I find many of the answers absurd. How anyone could consider a 5" heel as being a minimum height is quite beyond me! I know dancers who could not balance on such a skyscraper, and to expect a manufacturer to not make anything smaller defies all bounderies of financial responsibility. For that matter, even a 4 inch heel would be much too high to ask the average manufacturer to begin his production. The market would simply be too narrow to expect to make a profit.

On the other hand, there are shoes and various types of boots that have 2" heels and so it might be a bit much to start calling shoes with 2" heels High Heels. So common sense dictates that the minimum height would be somewhere between 2" and 4". But then I had to throw in the centimeters for those who don't wear heels in inches and who might not know an inch from a furlong. So almost immediately I was over the maximum of 10 choices allowed on the poll. And I must admit that even for the purposes of calculation I did not convert the centimeter's to inches. Rather, I rounded the figures to the nearest 1/4 inch and figured from there. Nevertheless, the poll was both interesting and fun.

OKAY! The numbers are in and don't lie! After due consideration of all known factors and taking my zip code and dividing by my age the magic number is: (big drumroll and cymbals) 3.56 inches! So all you guys that consider 5" to be the minimum heel height for high heels - TOUGH LUCK! :x And I might add, I'm so glad the store owners in my neigborhood don't see it your way either. (Lottsa luck buying those "ordinary boots and shoes with those 4.5" heels. )

I am somewhat surprised that the voters did put the minimum heel height about 1/2 inch higher than what I personally voted for at 3", but - hey, that's what polls are all about! So now that we've got that piece of sticky business out of the way - IT's PARTY TIME! :drinking:

Glad to hear you opinion, johnieheel.

One thing I'd like to comment on, however, is your use of the term "fetish," for several reasons.

First, heel-wearing by guys is a fetish only if done for purposes of sexual arousal. That's both the dictionary and the DSM-IV definition.

This is important because more than a few male heel-wearers hold security clearances, and anything considered "abnormal" by the DSM-IV jeapordizes those clearances. Currently, the DSM-IV does not address the wear of heels by men, other than by way of cross-dressing. Since I'm not wearing women's clothing (merely a shoe), and am not at all trying to appear as a member of the opposite sex, it's not considered cross-dressing by the investigators. However, they're keen to ask about fetishes, and I have to make it clear to them that a fetish involves sexual arousal while my heelwearing does not.

Because of this, as well as general societal avoidance of the word "fetish" and anything associated with it, it's very important that we avoid the use of this word unless it's specifically warranted. If it is warranted in your case, please take the time to differentiate between your involvement with heels, and the involvement of most of the men on this board, for whom wearing heels is not fetishistic.

I hope you understand. Thanks.

Ever the scholar, Dr1819 has almost given us the low-down on "fetish". But he left out the all important point that the term "fetish" actually has it's origins in religion! (As a remarkable number of terms do.) Therefore, it is from the realm of religion that the term eventually became adopted to sexual usage. Unfortunately, in today's usage (and thanks in no small part to Freud) almost any item that is associated with obsessive/compulsive behavior is often refered to in sexual terminology. In reality we should relegate degenerate minds like Freud to the rubbish heap, where they belong, and quit over analysing everything. I like high heels! I liked them when I first tried on a pair of my mother's heels at around 9 or 10 and have liked them ever since. This has absolutely nothing to do with my sexual life! If there is anyone who's heels are an integral part of their sexual life - get help.

There's quite an interesting essay behind the pictures. It's special and often richly decorated examples of items get preserved for the future. Thinking about today, the shoes that people wear out, get worn out. There will be proportionately more of the shoes that people don't wear surviving. I wonder how many extreme heels will be around in five hundred years and what will historians make of them? And will college kids write essays about them?

OF Course!, of course, some Indiana Jones type will uncover a thrift store somewhere and find a pair of stripper's heels with about a 9" heel and a 5" platform and conclude (from the size 6 shoe) that we were all about 62 inches tall so in order to enhance our size and appearance, along with our aggressive tendencies, we all stomped around in such footwear. If they should happen to find the stripper's cache of shoes - BONANZA! That proves the entire theory; write their paper, case closed.

...It's not that it is illegal to get married without a license, but the government won't recognise the marrage otherwise. For example the couple would be unable to file a joint tax return and reap addtional tax breaks afforded maried couples and their kids.

HUUUMMmmmm.

The only government I can recognize is one that obtains it's right to exist from a people who were granted their rights from a sovereign God and who have, in turn, delegated some of their rights to a government that is also accountable to that same sovereign God. Any other is pure tyranny! Therefore, all of my rights, including the right to choose my style of clothing, are god-given rights that are not bestowed by, or to be withdrawn at the caprice of a man-made government. My right to be or not be married is god-given and is NOT to be held hostage to some licensing fee or to be withdrawn by a government of man.

Governments, like clocks, are man-made and obtain their motion from men! Therefore it is governments that need men rather than men who need governments. Moreover, whenever governments become destructive of man's god-given rights, it is both the responsibility and the duty of men to abolish such government and to institute NEW government that is founded upon godly principles and which secures the god-given rights of the individual!

Your mother has great taste in boots! That's a nice picture you took too.

Hey Shaq91, Quit worrying about what the sales clerk thinks. If I bought a King Kong outfit for Halloween, would that make me King Kong? Of course not. And the same thing goes for Darth Vader or Superman costumes - much to my chagrin, it just ain't so! The same thing also goes for high heels. Besides, if the clerk gives you any shine, you can always tell 'em your money is paying for shoes, not nose.

pata/pantera of www.light-fetish.de wears them in a recent video. She refers to them as killer heels as they "killed" her feet after an hour of walking.

For real! I'll just tell you that ARCH ENEMIES ain't got nothing on those killers! :x

Good article, Maudgca. Too bad that I didn't see anything about men wearing heels though.

I think this pretty much goes for all 50 states, last time I checked. There's such a thing in some states as "common law marriage," where if a couple co-habitates for more than x out of y days/months/years, the state will treat them as if they were married.

So God says it's okay for a man and a woman to get married but the governments of 50 states say it's illegal unless you first obtain a permit? Are we required to get a permit to be born as well?

Weeelll, if you can actually walk in them I guess they're okay. I'm told that women actually needed a walking stick (presumably a long one) in order to navigate with those things.

Ahh, a good newspaper - who can find? I can definitely understand the irritation of having to pay to read someone else's "spin" on things. But then one is left with the question of just which alternative to go to? I guess about the only way to get what you want is to buy your own newspaper.

Yup! It means that you've had your first warning. So if you want to wear heels on a regular basis you need to respect what you've just been told and start wearing lower heels for short periods. After you've conditioned your body and tendons to the new strains and sensations, you can slowly start increasing the height of the heels. But if you want to insist on wearing those 5" heels you'd better first make sure your medical insurance is paid-up.

Katie Couric will open the flood gates for women national news reporters when it comes to high heels.

Their footwear will be more prominent on the nightly newscasts...

I don't know what newscasts yer watching, but here in the District of Criminals all the news stations focus on very tight facial shots that almost show the facial hair growing. As for shoes - you'd never know they even had feet! :x

I have a black clutch purse (one with no straps that you hold in a hand). It is fairly plain black, so it looks OK for a guy. In Europe it never gets any stares. People there seem to be used to guys carrying hand purses. In the US I never see that.

Yeah, we Yanks are a bunch of sticks in the mud. We've probably got more hang-ups than a room full of cuphooks.

Very interesting topic. I might even say---educational. Now, I have a piece of paper, (room or no room), that says that I can hang a lip lock onto Mickey any place, any time, anywhere. She has the same privilage afforded by the same piece of paper as I have. It is called a marriage license. Admittedly, of course, we would not carry things any farther in public beyond a kiss, or a hug, or a squeeze.

Cheers---

Dawn HH

This strikes me as altogether strange. I thought you needed a license or permit to do something that was otherwise illegal. So in Pennsylvania it is unlawful for people to be married without first obtaining permission from the state to do so?

...if you want to kill your feet,walk in those shoes for about 20 minutes. Some shoes were made for-play, if you know what I mean and not so much for walking.

Knitting needles on shoes? Them shoes ain't made for walking. :x Can't see how they'd be too kind to the flooring either.

Okay, so now I'm green with envy. But the beauty of plats is that they tend to take the strain off the feet, no matter how high the heel. Still, I seriously hope that they don't bring back chopines.

Welcome to our forum, Booted. You are in good company here. Tell us about yourself; some of your experiences, etc.

Weeellll, at least you had the honesty and courage to own-up to your indiscression. So we will only prescribe 50 lashes with a wet noodle this time. But warn you I must, that once you start towards the "dark side" it may not be possible to turn back! As one person put it,"Once you go flat, you never come back." Meditate on this matter, you should.

Great! If I ever get back to Billings I'll try to look up the Loft.

And exactly where, in Billings, were you going to wear those?