Guy N. Heels

Ah, it warms my heart to still be getting feedback on this poll that was supposed to have closed a month ago. Do I know how to get 'em stirred-up or what?

Now the sooner we can get some lessons in basic English, the better off we'll all be. Fer instance, the word minimum has meanings like: least of; the smallest value; smallest amount; least; lowest; etc. So for anyone to say they voted for a minimum height for a heel while openly admiting that smaller heels also constituted high heels is, to my mind, a total perversion of the language. When I ask someone for the minimum amount of an item (such as cloth, which is sold by the yard, and the minimum most dealers will sell is a yard) I'm asking for the absolute smallest amount we can deal with. Why anyone would want to say any given height of a heel is the minimum height for a high heel and then admit that smaller heels are also high heels is, to my mind, a total contradiction of terms.

Ok, so I've been thinking back to our trip to Scotland last year.... and since we can't get decent Scotch in this province (Ontario, Canada) because of the grip the liquor control board (LCBO here) has on the alcohol supply, I've been wondering what we're missing. So, what are people's favourite Scotches? What's available out there?

...We had some cask strength (60%) single malt from Benromach near-ish Glen Fiddich (the Microsoft of Scotches) and it was very nice though you had to be careful, it being 60%. It would cure the common cold with one shot. Atholl Brose was elixer from heaven though. It's a Scotch liquor, kinda like Drambuie, but if you've had Atholl Brose, Dram is crude.

... And is it required to wear a kilt while drinking Scotch?

Well laddie, let me bring ye upt speed on the national drink o Scotland. First of all, whil ye do na ha to be in kilt for a wee drink, it is preferred. However, ye must leave ye Claymore and broadsword at the door. (we would na want to see ye hurt yerself if the floor should become wobbly or slippry an ye fall. Moreover, after 3 wee drinks ye should pull ye other blades outta yer socks & shoes and check those wi ye server, lest some other accident befall ye an ye hurt yerself.

Now any decent barley Scotch will do fer clearing out the sinusus & colds an whatnot, but my lassie much prefered J&B Scotch because she said it was smoother. Many lads like Johnny Walker, but ye must remember that the reason Johnny walked wuz because he could na get on his horse after a wee bit too much one night. I cannot er remember having tried Chevias, probably 'cauz the price wuz too regal for me blood.

Now the lads up in the highlands 'll ha me drawn & quarterd fer sayin this, but when I was a much younger lad travlin in them there Japans, they had a whiskey there, they did, that wuz as good as any likker er to come down from the highlands. It wuz called San Torri Golden, as I recall, and it wuz sure to warm a highlander's heart, it wuz. Not quite as smooth as J&B, but a whole lot better 'n most of the bilge water they's been talkin' here a bouts.

As fer them likker board poms, ye'll be wantin' to read up on William Wallace and find out how he & his ladds sorted out them English on just such tripe as yer speakin.

Exactly!! I never thought of that - but you are 100% right!

I'm so glad to hear that somebody showed-up in heels to give the jerks the boot! The only problem is that we don't do either one often enough!

I was never cought in heels, but I've had a couple pairs found by my mom. I was eventually brought in to a couple psycologists/psyciatrists to see what was going on, I was guilted into taking medication that removed my odd sexual interests, as well as any sexual interests. I knew that being 17/18 years old with zero sex drive was not normal either.

I still don't wear heels around the family, but thats just me.

AHhh, the shrinks! They're those dysfunctional guys who diagnose everything through the lens of their own dysfunction, right? I love that Tony Curtis line from Captain Newman, MD. "You mean you actually spent 4 years in school learning this stuff? I knew all about this stuff before I ever got out of high school!"

You know, this thread might actually do better as a poll. But I generally wear 3" heels for some part of every day.

Wow. That clip was pretty impressive.

I must say that ive never heard of something like that before.

I'd love to go and see one happen in person sometime.

I know exactly what you mean by it being somewhat amazing DIHeels.

I have a friend who can like run along side me when we are racing to get the bus. Sandals, Pump's, Stiletto's. You name it, she's like a master at it.

The most amazing one that ive ever seen I have to say is when I was waiting for my train, and this lady wearing 4" Stilleto's came bolting down the stairs cause her train was about to pull out.

I was stunned when I saw what she was wearing and even more so that she was taking two steps at a time. It was crazy but amazing.

Something I wont forget.

Here's the pic by the way. Found it only recently.

TWO steps at a time? I don't think I could forget that either!

Its not the being found out that matters, is the manner in which it happend.

... I do however now keep my car keys hidden to prevent a repeat event...

Still, you should not be made to feel that you need to take such measures with your own family.

I wasn't caught wearing them.... I was caught receiving them, and I put them on for good measure. From then on, I wouldn't say I was ever "caught." Prior to that, never - the two women preceding her (my aunt and grandmother) were enablers, to an extent.

Enablers - now there's a term I've not heard for a long time. That's someone who encourages you to do something or other, and even assists in the enterprise, right? Well, we guys could use some more female enablers, in my estimation. Nothing like a good enabler to get a guy off the ground - so to speak.

Yesterday while in downtown Chicago, I saw a woman break out into a full-fledged track style sprint for a cab. Her shoes? Red and tan, 3.5 inch heels. It was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen.

YUP! Never fails to amaze me. Maybe some variant of this will be the next circus act.

Hey Guys/Girls

Hope you dont mind but I shall move this thread into the "general non shoe related discussion forum"?

(Then ducks for cover and runs)

Yeah! Whats all this hand-to-gland combat stuff got to do with wearing heels?

i had to do it once in 4" courts. not the easiest thing i have ever done. my hat is off to all those women in the video clip doing the run in heels.

Maybe they're braver than we thought.

What I'm saddened by is all the macho attitudes coming to the fore on this forum. Perhaps it isn't the place for me.

Well, I could go totally American macho and point out the fact that this nation won it's independence through guns and violence. This would, of course, be totally in character for me and my Scottish ancestery. (I'm wearing a kilt at the moment.)

On the other hand, it is written: "He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword." The modern translation is: "he who lives by the AK47 (substitute whatever weapon of choice you prefer) dies by the AK47.

In my experience, there was never a good war or a bad peace. I think a little forebareance can go a long ways towards avoiding situations of violence and self-defence. But the plain and simple fact is that we live in a very violence-prone world. Even Gen. Charles Gordon, who carried only a cane, was killed in a violent death. The world is a very dangerous place.

You guys obviously live in a different world from me. What is this all about? I'm an adult, I don't get into fights.

Please let us know the name and address of the planet yer on? The one I'm on has a very long history of wars and aggressions and is generally a very dangerous place to live. Just last month someone was shot to death less than 300 yards from my front door.

5" for me.

Well, maybe you're all wearing heels 5" or higher in Kansas City (I guess it helps to get a little better look at the river), but the poll sez 3.5" constitutes a High Heel!

However, I did want to mention that when I set-up the poll I made no distinction between low, medium, and high heels. To my mind, the question was simply ordinary heels vs high heels. Today most shoe manufacturers would consider shoes with heels up to 2" as ordinary, and I certainly have no problem with that. So then the question becomes: "At what point does a shoe become a high heeled shoe; or, What is the minimum height for a high heel?"

So all you ultra high heeled lovers can join Asdf174 in Kansas City where their minimum is 5". (Did the Indians wear 'em that tall to get a better look around out there on the plains, or is that strictly the white man's notion?)

I can never approach this subject without terribly conflicted feelings, rather like running with sissors. I very much doubt that I can ever hope to run in heels of any height without doing some terrible damage to myself. On the other hand, I still remember a girl I met in San Francisco running with me to catch a cable car while wearing heels, and downhill at that! (I think she had on about 3" ers.) So I know that it is possible, but I have 'til yet to figure out the mechanics involved. To my mind, the key would be running on the toes and balls of the feet without allowing the heels to actually contact the ground, much like a sprinter. But I'm much too old for such nonsense these days.

Having an 'equalizer' no mater if it is a weapon or martial art, is not a substitute for common sense. The most dangerous of fools to himself and to others is a smart person without common sense.

It is written: "Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs rather than a fool in his folly." Good advice anytime.

Well, martial arts is good for both discipline and training, but Christopher Colt developed the "equalizer" that seldom encounters further arguments after it "speaks". On the other hand, avoiding bad people, places, and circumstances will do wonders for your health! Then there the is the biblical admonition that, "the Angel of the Lord camps 'round about those who fear Him." In my personal experience, in almost every incident where I've had to defend myself I was either in some place where I really had no business, and/or alcohol was involved in some way. Avoiding alcohol alone will remove one from about 90% of all unpleasent incidents.

Months? Try years, and I'm fairly open-minded.

Again, right you are. Just one small example: when I was shopping around for office space for a company I was working for, one of the questions that came up fairly early was whether or not both men and women would be using the office. Since I didn't understand the significance of the question, I asked what difference it made? That's when I was informed that local laws required separate rest rooms for each sex in the office.

Now try and contrast this, and also appreciate my cultural shock with when I first went into a public rest room in Okinawa only to find both men and women there! Apparently they totally believe in equal opportunity rest rooms. Even though I have long-since overcome that incident, you may be sure that I've never forgotten it.

Thanks for the help. One other question - I've been looking online for a guide to walking in heels, but Google has been failing me. Any tips/tricks/guides that you'd care to pass along?

This question has been thrashed-out, beaten, and pummeled right here on this forum many times. I think the latest effort was in response to Shaq91 who had a similar question.

The general rule of thumb is to start with low heels - around 3" - and walk in them until you can do everything you need to do, including climbing up and down stairs, without thinking about yer feet or yer shoes. (I would suggest you go with wedgies.) Then you need to increase the height of the heels slowly in 1/4 to 1/2 inch increments and learn how to walk in the higher heels just like before. Starting out with 4 or 5 inch heels is just about guaranteed to get you to visiting yer doctor or yer hospital.

Why can't shoe shops / manufacturers list the calf measurement when it comes to boots? My calf is about an inch too large for most knee length boots to zip up over, which leaves me with the option of either buying stretch ones which I generally don't like because I prefer leather, or from specialist companies like Duo. Duo do gorgeous boots, but they're not cheap and a lot of their styles only have low heels.

I know it's not just me, as I've seen loads of posts from women on various sites having the same problem. While they won't get looked at askance if they just go and try them on in the shop, quite a few of them find it embarrassing trying on boots that won't zip up. As no two people's legs are the same shape, and the manufacturer obviously knows what measurement the boots are made to, why don't they include this information on the label?

Chris

Yer point is well taken. However, another option not yet mentioned is to have the uppers modified to accomodate yer size (I would suggest something expandable or adjustable). While I personally do not have this problem, I can still recall guys in the army who simply could not lace up their boots. One guy had such thick calves that his socks were clearly visible on either side of the tongue of his boots (against regulations). I can only suppose that these chaps had to also buy extra length laces for their boots as well. It can be a real problem.

You guys are way to liberal for my taste. But, that's the wonderful thing about a free society. You raise your children the way you want to and I'll raise mine my way. However, never forget that parents are responsible for their childrens actions.......until they reach the age of majority. Then, although you'll never stop being their parents, they're responsible for their actions.

Parents are indeed responsible for their children. But that doesn't mean that they need to be snooping around behind the kid's back (engenders suspicion and paranoia) or kicking down the kid's door on any whim or caprice. For crying out loud, I was willing to give my dog more respect than that.

Hi Seattleshoes, and welcome to our forum. First of all, you will probably want to change styles from time to time, so one important quest you need to address is how much you are willing to pay for shoes. On the low-end of the budget (where I am) there are 1] thrift stores and consignment shops, 2] Payless, 3] Wallmart, 4] K-Mart, and 5] Target. But you can also find some really nice shoes at decent prices in some of the more up-scale stores, particularly if you shop at the end of the season when they are clearing out their old stock to make room for new. Also, it helps if you have a small foot for a man, but around a lady's size 10 (as I do) so that you can access the regular stock that just doesn't move so well. On the other hand, if money is no object, the world is yer oyster. I'd start at 9 West and make a few stops at Bloomies, Saks, and Bon Marche'. Boots are definitely all the rage this season, and I am sure you can find something that suits your fancy at some of those places.

Heely, non-heely - who cares? We're talking HEINLEIN, here, the first gender-bending SF writer on the planet.

He's welcome on all threads!

Weellll, I don't know if you can call Fear No Evil a gender-bender or not? After all, the guy did have a brain transplant, so I guess that would really be more of a "mind-bender". Personally, I liked The Moon is a Harsh Mistress better. Nevertheless, Heinlein is both very good and one of my personal favorites.

Never invade. Do it with the childs consent. If the child is keeping something secret, it doesn't mean they're doing something wrong. Talk to the child. Don't go through their things. A child will respond better to questions than they would an invasion of privacy.

Respect and privacy are not earned. They should be given freely to all.

I have to agree with your answer - to a point. I would first like to point out that while something like trust may be earned, rights are not earned. They either are or are not upheld by the prevailing authority.

I can foresee circumstances where a parent would not necessarily require the child's consent, but the child should be made aware of the reason for the intrusion, none-the-less. Moreover, invasion of a child's privacy should be extremely rare, and only when extreme circumstances warrant it. In at least 90% of all cases, talking matters over is quite sufficient. Failure to bring up a child in an atmosphere of respect for people's rights will produce an adult that doesn't respect the rights of others.

But the upshot here is that while an adult may still be the child living with a parent, adult rules apply. If the parent would not appreciate the marines or the cops storming their house and ransacking personal property without a cause, where does the parent presume to treat the child in that manner?

Interesting comment about makeup, guy-in-heels. I've noticed that throughout Asia few women ever wear makeup.

Right you are. I don't know if it is for economic reasons, or if they simply place a very low priority on women wearing make-up. My geisha did wear a modest amount of make-up and some jewelry, but she seemed much more predominantly concerned with her hair and her attire.

On the other hand, maybe they're saving it all for the kabuki dancers! I'm sure you know that it has only been in fairly recent times that the kabuki admitted women to their troup. Before that, all dancers were male and the ones who played women were very heavily made-up.

Nevertheless, the plain and simple fact is that Asians are not burdened with Victorian notions of sexuality. To westerners who are, Asian culture is a real shock :evil: that may require many months to overcome.