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This is actually a copy of the earlier Wikipedia article before the Wiki fashion police slashed the heck out of it citing all sorts of unsubstantiated excuses for deleting quite valid content.

If you'd like to correct their "little" oversight, please do so by visiting the current article on High Heels.

Please register and post under your own name, review the Wiki rules up front to ensure you're not wasting time by posting invalid content, be polite!, and numbers rules, folks, so if ten of you can counter the Wiki fashion police, it should be enough to shut them down.

Please don't cite me, as by my own position I'm persona non gratis on Wiki these days.

Rather, approach it from your own perspective, and try to refer to other websites as much as possible - the more the merrier, as the Wiki nazis will have less recourse to counter your content if it's coming from 20 different people from 50 different websites.

Good luck!

By the way - Wiki is read about 5,000 times more often per day than most websites, including this one, so if we can advance the cause there, it'll be a HUGE milestone.

A girlfriend I dated over the summer (totally supportive, but I ended things with her for other reasons); my best friend who was in my wedding 16 years ago (he dressed in drag for a bust back when he was a cop before he began teaching grade school - says he "loved it"); my parents, aunt and uncle whom I trust, and a good friends of mine. I've also let marriage counselors know, and a few neighbors who've I've gotten to know as friends first know, too.

For the record, I'm genetically straight, a psychological lesbian, emotionally intergendered, and a practicing anti-transvestic, non-crossdressing, non-freestyling fashion non-conformist. Wow. I'm sure that spun your brains. It did mine! Put simply, I'm a guy who identifies as a guy, likes football, sports, racing, but who is more comfortable with the holiday discussions among the females, who enjoys skirts and heels, but not appearing as a woman, and who wishes that the terms "skirt" and "heels" weren't contemporarily synonomous with women's fashion, but rather equally open to men's fashion. That doesn't stop me from wearing either, and it's refreshing to find that most females (not so much the males) rapidly adjust during airline flights and within minutes we're not talking about the skirt or heels I'm wearing but about schoolboard policy, women's rights, Congressional law, landscape architecture, or whatever else floats their boat. It's the women who, by far, are the most agile with respect to getting over the external acoutrements and getting down to brass tacks! The men usually freeze up, unless I provide icebreakers they're used to, such as discussing football scores.

I agree, really could've done without the last half....

Last half deleted by a forum moderator. The offending poster has been notified.

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A 31 inch waist? GGRRRRR!! I think I'm jealous!! In fact, I know I'm jealous!! I'm not sure right off the top of my head, but I think that would be somewhere in the neighborhood of a Misses size 14 or 16. The best way to find out would be to go to a department store website, click on women's fashions, then look for a sizing chart. That way, you can find out for sure before you buy. As for inseams, not too long so you can avoid having the material bunch up around your ankles inside the boots. Good luck in your search!

Double arrggg! I used to have a 30" waist or less until about four years ago when I began taking a certain medicine for a medical condition. PLUMPH!

While I've lost 23 lbs since going off the medication, I still have another fifty to go until I'll be where I was a few years ago, weight, sizes, and all.

I saw a guy, about 48, slightly rotund, wearing what were clearly a pair of tapered-heel boots beneath very long (dragging on the ground) slacks at France's DeGaulle airport the other day. In addition, while out on Christmas Eve, I saw a gentleman walk into a bar wearing a pair of not-so-subdued fur-fluffed 3" heeled winter boots into which he'd tucked his jeans. No, I wasn't at a gay bar. I was at a country-western bar.

If, as everyone has stated, a woman (or anyone) has the option to say "NO", it only stands to reason she should expect the other party to accept it. Am I right or wrong?

Susan

You're right - everyone has both the option and the right to say "No" while fully expecting that answer to be respected.

However, I believe certain previous understandings and contractual agreements should modify those expectations. For example, when my wife and I shared I do's nearly two decades ago, there was a mutual expectation that, absent any justification to the contrary, there would never be any "No" answer to the question of continuing the marriage. And for eleven years, that was the case, with "divorce is not an option" being our watchphrase that carried us well beyond the point where irreconcilable differences would have done in most couples.

Because of our committment, we conceived a wonderful son and enjoyed many more years together as a loving couple and family.

One day, she arrived at the conclusion that her earlier beliefs were flawed, and her subsequent actions found her slight relief from her own issues while causing substantial distress in the two people she claimed to love - myself and our son.

Both my son and I have coped fairly well with her utter lack of regard for either of our feelings, and we've managed to remain in contact despite her every attempt to deny that. It's cost tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, not to mention curtailed visitations because she had a fit and her lawyer filed motions before the judge while I was waiting to take custody for two weeks that became just five days.

Similarly, when a soldier, sailor, or airmen raises his right hand and swears/affirms to serve his/her country, he/she voids his/her right to say no to lawful orders, and agrees to abide by those lawful orders until their term of service has been completed.

I believe the same holds true in marriage, that it's more than an agreement to "try it until it doesn't work out," but rather, to "work it until it works." Just as I've known many marriages to founder for petty reasons, I've known much tougher marital situations prosper because of the commitment of the two parties involved, neither of whom accepted "No" for an answer as to whether their marriage would work.

So, no, I do not believe the right to say "No" is absolute. I believe it's inherent in most situations, except in those where it has been expressly forfeited for the good of the institution (whether marriage or military). In these situations, more good than harm comes by holding true to one's vows and commitments than by exercising one's right to say "No."

Howzatt?

Slate didn't have branching - the old BBS I ran did. In fact, from what I can tell, none of the modern message forums have branching capability.

While this does simplify the management of the board to some extent, careful programming could render that disadvantage moot while providing for a much more natural conversational flow. People branch in their conversations all the time, and just because one person branches doesn't mean that's the way the conversation goes. Often, the other person will pull it back to the original topic, or ignore the branch altogether.

While modern software looks nicer, the older stuff held quite a bit more genious than most people realize.

What an idiot! He is obviously gay so what would he do if someone slagged off his lifestyle like that?

Does he not understand that there is a difference between drag and transvesticism?

And cross-dressing and freestyling (thanks, DandyDude) and simple personal choice?

By the way, I'm no longer a "fashion freestyler," because it's just another label the ignorants slap onto someone when they see something out of the norm.

During my flight home, while waiting in the airport lobby in Denver, I had a conversation with a younger man (about 30) who was fairly open-minded, but was trying to figure out how to classify me. He asked me how I considered myself, so I said, "why don't you take a guess." After going through several classifications, he gave up, and I said, "I consider myself lucky to be alive," alluding to the two highway accidents I've had as an adult.

He looked perplexed, so I grinned and added, "I consider myself to be male. How do you consider yourself?"

"Well, male," was his response.

I found that rather telling given the large similarity in our manner of style, except for the very small 3.5" x 1/2" difference on the bottom of both of my shoes...

My theory is that accountants and lawyers take care of one another. Most legislators are lawyers, and they pass laws that keep the accountants employed. As a result, accountants give lawyers (some of their best customers) regular breaks.

The rest of us, however, pay both lawyers and accountants through the nose.

Corrallary: Those who master accounting/finances and become well versed with the laws in their community will generally avoid being bled by either accountants or lawyers.

I've found the more I walk and get a wide variety of low-impact aerobic exercise (cycling, swimming, and walking), the less I weigh, and the more enjoyable it is to wear any pair of heels. When I slack off for any length of time, however, I get much pickier about which heels I'll wear because about half of them are no longer comfortable. Exercise - it does a body good!

I recall the day in the early-1980s when the university I attended (20,000+ students) announced that the total storage capacity for all computers and their storage devices (mainly large platters and tape) had finally exceeded 1 Terabyte. These days, that's just a few hundred dollars away, what with the Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 HD 750GB SATA II drive available for just $360. Just think - I could have a 1.4 TB RAID 5 array for under $1,600. That blows my mind!

Currency exchanges get everyone... I want to get another pair of Leatherworks knee boots, but at todays exchange rate the 130 pound cost is $260, plus shipping, import duty and taxes. Even I can't justify spending that much on a pair of boots, no matter how comfortable they are or how well they are made.

It's not just currency exchanges - things really do cost more in the UK than in the US - about 30% more.

To add insult to injury, the gross domestic product per capita in the US is $41,600, while it's $31,100 in the UK. Thus, the average per capita income in the US goes 33.76% further.

Combine that with the costlier prices in the UK, and those in the US have approximately 44% more buying power.

While some countries' economies went downhill when the EU adopted the Euro, most improved, and the overall financial situation improved for all EU members, on a weighted average basis, improved as well.

If the UK were to join the EU, financially, both would be better off over the long term.

Eventually (and we're not far from it today with nearly instantaneous exchange rates and our global economies) the world will adopt a single monetary unit, with the rare exception being very remote areas which do not interact with the global ecomony to any significant extent. This will serve to anchor values in any given area, curb runaway inflation and deflation, and provide for a more stable, healthier world finacial situation.

As an added bonus, it will also provide significant economic incentive for countries at odds with another to continue cooperating economically, rather than duking it out ideologically.

that was a great conversation with that woman... are you a lawyer?

No, but I've a degree in business law (among other things). It comes through at times, doesn't it?

I've though about going into law. I think I would be very good at it, except for the fact that I can't stand ridiculously outrageous judicial decisions, which, unfortunately, appear to be the norm, rather than the exception.

When the local, federal, and state judges start pulling their heads out of there you know what's, and stop handing down "fair" but patently dishonest and biased decisions, I'll gladly hang up my commentators' hat.

Until then, the judges will be judged upon how they adjudicate the matters within their jurisdiction. Some judges will excell, and others will clearly evidence their own lack of qualifications by falling face-down on the job.

Put simply, no one's work is exempt from the public eye. If the judges don't have it, it'll soon come to light! If they do, then there's nothing to fear.

Have you seen any guys (excluding members at heel-meets and those fully cross-dressed) street-heeling?

Oh, Gee - are you kidding?

1976 - New Orleans, a guy smoking a pipe, wearing a beard, and walking downtown in heels. Definately NOT part of the 70's heels movement.

1977 - A guy downtown in platform heels. Part of the 70's heels movement.

1978-1980 - Another guy or fifteen hundred, also part of the 70's heels movement, courtesy of Saturday Night Fever, and the inciting 70's phenomenon of guys wearing heels.

1985 - Myself and five others attending a Halloween party wearing heels.

1988 - Myself and three others wearing heels, as guys, during graduation, to protest the recent prohibition by the university against women playing in men's sports (including chess, which I find really ridiculous).

1992 - I wore heels during Halloween while my wife visited her family.

1996 - I began wearing heels regularly after breaking an ankle. Flats=pain, while heels=comfort. Orthopedic surgeons be damned!

2001 - I happened upon the guys wearing heels websites, and realized I wasn't along. Joined a few and began contributing.

2002 - Joined hhmeetplace.org

2005 - switched monikers and increased my contributions

2004 - Present - actively involved in countless pro-fashion-freedom websites which further the rights of men to wear whatever the hell they want to wear.

2007 - Bought a $124.95 poncho at the Denver Airport just to generate conversation material on the way back to Germany. And expensive endeavor, to be sure, but one that I believe proved worthy, as I sat next to a senior psychological advisor to the the U.S. Army's efforts to recover their soldiers from the war-torn regions of Iraq and reintegrate them into normal American society.

To date: I'm wearing 4" heeled boots, a jeans skirt, have already been to the bar in this outfit, so go figure.

No worries, no problems, no issues, nothing but net (fun). No one cares!

Carry on, and enjoy yourselves!

The "male lesbian?" Isn't that more appropriately termed a "transexual lesbian?" I'm confused, which is rare for me among gender issues...

Earrings, necklaces, bracelets, rings - go for it. I won't wear most women's jewelry, nor most men's, for that matter. But the more masculine women's jewelry suits me fine, and I don't hesitate. To date, no one has ever asked me why I was wearing a woman's bracelet - they simply assumed that it was a man's bracelet.

I also like the way the writer leaves the idea of men wearing heels wide open.

Although a bit of a surprise, that was indeed very welcome!

Chunky, narrow, wedge - so long as they're ergonomically designed and properly mated to a sound shank that doesn't allow them to wobble all over the place, I'm up for anything, provided it's high.

Skirts can be quite manly.

In many countries, that's all men wear!

I was wondering how others here "weathered" when telling their wifes of their interest with heels.

Initially, very well, even to the point of encouraging it. Then, a few years later, the truth came out that she was having major issues with it. By that time, I'd already disclosed to her that although I felt 100% male, I often tested as and thought like most females. Although we'd been happily married more than a decade, she was unable to separate the objective testing from the man she'd grown to love over the years, and erroneously believed that I was somehow changing on her, when in reality, I wasn't changing at all.

Once home, I just decided to ask her, her thoughts on men in heels. She stated, "if they like them, so be it, I don't mind either way". Surprised with her answer I showed her my heels. She then said, "I knew you were wearing a heel, I just didn't know how high. You aren't that tall normally." She smiled, kissed me and went on with her business.

I am very excited that she is "ok" with my heels, Now I wonder how much I can wear them with her. I joked with her about when we go out and she is in heels, I could wear them too, to remind me that her feet get tired quickly.. LOL..

I hope others have had as good luck as I have or better.

I'm happy for you, as it appears she genuinely supports your heeling. Take it easy, don't push the envelope, and make sure she's really ok with it. Heels are readily available, even in the harder to find sizes. Those we truly love, however, are very hard to find.

If you decide to experiment with rsvp, do so quickly as certain sizes from Zappos tend to sell out quickly, but I think you'll find rsvp to be a nice shoe that's worth the money.

Agreed. I've a couple pair from RSVP that are quite nice. I've steered clear of the pointed toes, though, as they don't fit nearly as well as the rounded toes in my size (my foot in pointy RSVPs tends to cant off to one side).

I've caught sight of myself several times while heeling past either large mirrors or reflective glass. Looked pretty normal, just like what all the other guys were wearing, except for the fact that instead of a 2-1/2" x 3" x 3/4" piece of leather on my shoe I wore a 3/4" x 3/4" x 3-1/2" piece of leather. It being so small, however, it didn't detract from my overall appearance in the least.

So the women can take over anything they want, and no one cares. I really don't understand why the men can't do that, too.

I can't understand that, either, so, naturally, I do so anyway, and like you said, to hell with the fashionistas/fashionazis.

I think you're right Jeff. I had quite a good conversation last night with one of the girls about makeup and leg waxing. She's a goth, and her makeup is often quite elaborate and always looks stunning. Not that I know anything about makeup, but she seemed to like the fact that I was genuinely interested.

I really enjoy female company, and talking about things other than the usual guy topics is one of the things I like.

Chris

The best conversations I have with others are with females about non-guy topics. Most are surprised that I'm both able to do so and remain heterosexual. I just remind them that not all guys are created equal...

When I discussed shoes with female co-workers, they were openly amazed about my knowledge in that area. In fact, a couple of years ago, a co-worker asked me to come with her to a department store and help her pick out a nice pair of evening shoes for a party she was going to, saying she trusted my judgment when it came to shoes more than the women at the office. And, yes, I picked out a killer pair of shoes she loved. Women appreciate it when you talk about things that appeal to them, and when you exhibit a breadth of knowledge about a given subject, like shoes for example and can discuss it intelligently, they appreciate it even more. Just my two cents worth.

Cool! I've had a few women friends who trust my judgement with respect to clothing. Never had one who'd go shopping for heels with me, though. One of these days...

I did participate in a discussion at Dillards the other day. Although I could find nothing in my size, I overheard a trio of mid to late thirties women discussing their shoe-shopping experiences. I was about four feet away when I heard one woman state, "I don't know what's wrong - in this size my toes are pinched, but in the next size it feels too loose."

I let her know I've worked in woman's shoes (a truthful comment, but in a sly way...) and asked if she'd allow me to help her. She said "Sure!" and I examined her foot. Key problem - she had short toes, a wide foot across her toes, and a weak arch. Thus, with the smaller shoe, her wide foot was pinching her toes, but with the larger shoe, she had no support/restraint across the instep. I asked if she'd allow me to measure her foot, and I discovered she was an 8-1/2 C. I found a boot with a round toe and it fit like a glove.

Perhaps I missed my calling?

Despite of my motto I like the actual girls boot style. Whoever should wear high heels over narrow jeans on the street if not courageous girls or crazy guys

Lot's of girls these days are wearing heels over jeans. The airports in Denver, Atlanta, and Paris were full of 'em.

yea only at a website like this can we talk about guys in heels.

I hope this was tongue in cheek, as I've talked with lots of people in many venues about guys in heels (bars, airplanes, work, other websites, etc.)

...stopped in a Stein Mart Store this afternoon to exchange a pair of earrings for Donna..as I was looking in the case one of the salesladies came up to me gushing over the way I was just moving around with no problem in these babies...

Great pics!

...she started in explaining to me how she always wanted to wear heels but they always hurt her feet to try..I ended up explaining to her that all she should do is start with a small heel with just a 2 or 3 inch heel and then just start increasing the heel as she felt like she was ready for it...she was so excited she wants me to come back in a week or so and see her in her "starter-heels" at the store...

..this is no kid..this is about a 30 year old or more who "just made her day" when she saw me...

Jim

JSpikeheels

Awesome. I've encountered other women who've had a difficult time wearing any heels at all because they had one or two bad experiences with too high a heel or one that was not right for their foot, so they gave up heels altogether.

Lots of heels will work well with any guy or girl, but some heels should be avoided based upon one's foot/bone structure and weight.

Above all, it takes time and patience.