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I agree with Bubba136 there, some great pics, and good informative commentary too. You certainly get around a lot. Thanks for sharing with us all.

You little tease Daz. Can't wait to see.

wow, what great looking boots. Thanks for the great pics Nhoj62

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Since our most recent "discussion" of my liking for high heels, my wife has started pointing out the heels (especially stilettos) she sees. On Saturday we were shopping and she tapped my shoulder to point out a pair of dayglo orange 4" stilettos a woman was wearing just behind us. They were glow in the dark orange, and I couldn't think what they would really fit with, certainly not the all black skirt/jacket combination the owner was wearing them with

Gotta go with the rest here too, a nice pair of boots again Daz.

Looks like something Dick Dastardly would wear to cheat in a Wacky walking race.

Well there goes the high heels neighbourhood. If Dr. Shoe is admitting to trying on his mothers shoes there is just no goodness or integrity left here on this forum. That upstanding pillar of the community turned out to be a fraud and we all fell for it, I am so humiliated.

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Wow some more great boots nhoj62, good price too. Thanks for sharing

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Thank you for the clarification Bubba136, I knew you weren't trying to change my mind already, or your first post would try to convince me through reasoning

Secondly I have no problems with the censorship here on this forum as it is obvious from posts from most members that it is a TRUE MAJORITY who want no porn here (myself included) another point I make is that as adults we can choose what we want to see read and hear, if I wanted more porn style or fetish shoe discussion I could go elsewhere on the net to get it, I don't so here I am MY CHOICE, and I therefore live within the rules of the forums here, hopefully not offending anyone ??. But as I say in my posts the "majorities" quoted in the issues bought up in this thread are not truly majorities, rather, vocal minorities.

I have no wish to change laws anywhere in the world, especially the US, I feel very strongly about the issues of foreigners changing laws. We have to put up with a lot of it in the UK as immigrants come here, make their home in the UK and then try to change things to be more like where they came from. I also respect the US way of life, even as far as I would move there if the opportunity arose. And fyi I am a very law abiding citizen, not even a traffic violation to my name here. As for the UK hating the US, most of the people I speak to support the US even when it is running round the world trying to force its ideals on other countries. If we listened to a vocal minority here, we would cut our ties instantly with the US but luckily for us all we don't.

I am interest in what my children and grandchildren are exposed to

I also have children, and I have stated we need to protect their innocence, but again it is up to adults to decide what they want their kids to see. I protect my children from things in a way others may find excessive, but it is my choice, when they are adults I hope my children will not need someone else to tell them what is right or wrong, they also should be allowed to decide for themselves as adults what to watch, hear or read.

The only points I make is that most majorities are minorities who shout loudest. Censorship led by these minorities can spiral to ridiculous proportions. Anita said a line must be drawn, and she is right, but it also needs to be firm enough to stop over sensitive minorities censoring everything adults may do. Adults should be able to choose their own level of censorship, I censor myself, I don't like porn I don't go where it will be found, shouldn't others just let me make that choice?

Shouldn't others just make their own censorships?

I think a joke I have heard in relation to censorship sums up the mentality of the actual majorities.

"It was so disgusting I had to watch it 3 times to believe my eyes before I complained"

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the connection is the censorship, it starts with banning swearing dj's or popstars showing their body parts, but when some smallminded group gets vocal enough and they believe crossdressing is wrong, they will "protect" others from seeing crossdressers by censoring them, and fining them.

I just found your post odd nestled inside an intelligent debate, to just say "you're wrong" no explanation, no backing up your statement. Just

Shyguy, you're flat out wrong!

Thanks Jim c. you back up my argument on the "majority" issue when you say

The majority is never vocal. The 0.1% who get whipped up enough to open their mouths make enough noise to convince everyone else they are 'the majority'.

A more direct way of putting what I was trying to say about the "majority" who push their views on others

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Bubba136 says:

Shyguy, you're flat out wrong!

wow Bubba, with that well put argument I am totally floored, you have changed my views completely .

most local governments, with the exception of the likes of San Francisco, tend to be MORE restrictive on obscenity, not less.

So which will be the first local government with enough of a vocal minority to ban those "sick individuals" who crossdress from doing their thing ? Or even those women dressing provocatively in stiletto heels?

Get enough Muslims in your state, shouting loud enough, and our Anita is wearing a full length gown, flat shoes and a bhurka to cover her face, now that's censorship for you.

BTW, how long can America be the "land of the free" when peoples right to express themselves is being watered down?

I believe censorship has its place but too many minorities use it as a stick to beat down people with differing views.

When discussing my liking for heels with my wife recently, I told her I often notice the shoes other women wear. She said she'd never even seen me looking at other women, which I said was true, as I'm only watching their heels. But I don't make it obvious, or she would have noticed. I think shed have preferred me to be looking at the women themselves though

Why should some be forced to view what they deem obscene so others who aren't offended can? A slippery slope indeed!

No one's forcing anyone to watch anything, just giving the people who may want to the opportunity to.

Anita C. you are a brilliant debater, and we could go on all year but I'll agree to disagree, we both have valid points, and it seems a stubborn attitude to our own views.

I thank you for your reasoned and civilised comments on this, you have made me use my brain tonight.

I propose a draw?

You make a valid point about protecting the defenceless like children and animals, but adults do not need protection from tv, film etc. I see a big difference between someone swearing, and someone abusing a child. And as you say a line has to be drawn, but do we really need the line to be pulled back so far. Each time someone gets close to a line the "majority" (in my view the vocal minority) move the line back closer to their standards so as to make it look like the line was crossed. As far as art and nudity, who decides what is art and what is gratuitous nudity? Over the years the "majority" view has moved all over the place on this subject. What was art became filth, and what was filth has been called art. And then changed again. Victorians covered piano legs as to show a leg was considered rude in the extreme, even a wooden one on an inanimate object, aren't you glad that this view changed? Your stories talk of skirts, heels and hose, all would be unacceptable somewhere, because they are acceptable to most Americans, does that make your or their views of decency wrong? Forcing your standards on others is wrong. Majority rule is ok to a point, but humans are pack animals, we follow the herd, individually our views can be different from when we're in a group. Once the group has 2 or 3 vocal "leaders" they can convince the rest of the herd that their views are the same. we don't like to appear different, look at most of the threads here, they are about stigmas of being different by men wearing ladies shoes/clothing. We need to conform, so once an opinion is put forward strongly by a few people, others follow, and your majority appears. How many people here tell individuals about their heels, and find those individuals ok one on one, but once they get in a group they will ridicule that friend who wears womens shoes. That's how vocal minorities can make it seem they are a majority. All our liberties are being eroded in the name of decency. But who decides what is decent? In closing, protect the innocent, and defenceless like children, animals etc. But please let the thinking, reasoning adults decide for themselves what to see. There is an off button, if your tv disturbs you, or 57 other channels to entertain you in a way more to your liking. Someone else may be enjoying what you find so tasteless. Some things are rightly taboo, but JJ showing a star on her boob, is that really so bad?? There are much more important things to get worked up about. And just who are you protecting from what there?

I seem to have gone up again without noticing, no bad thing though. Still can't wait for those stiletto's in a few hundred posts time.