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When the middle class religious nuts known as "Puritans" settled here in 1620 they nearly starved to death the first winter, and surely would have the second had it not been for the Indians who took pity on them and showed them how to grow corn, among other things. Therefore in the fall of 1621, they Puritans invited their Indian friends over for a meager feast of thanks. The Thanksgiving Feast Celebration concept was revived sometime in the late 19th century and has evolved from there. My memory for dates may be slightly askew, but I believe these are the essestial facts, nonetheless. Somebody out there correct me if I'm wrong, though.

re: internet tutorials (tongue-in-cheek):http://uber.nu/2000/05/25/

by Andrea Spencer.

And this lengthy tidbit:

This is for men to be able to understand what women really mean when they speak! Translating "*Girl Speak*" (a guide for men)

Fine: This is the word we use at the end of any argument that we feel we are right about but need to shut you up. NEVER use fine to describe how a woman looks. This will cause you to have one of those arguments.

Five minutes: This is half an hour. It is equivalent to the five minutes that your football game is going to last before you take out the trash, so feel that it's an even trade.

Nothing: This means something and you should be on your toes. "Nothing" is usually used to describe the feeling a woman has of wanting to turn you inside out, upside down, and backwards. "Nothing" usually signifies an argument that will last "Five Minutes" and end with the word "Fine".

Go Ahead (with raised eyebrows): This is a dare. One that will result in a woman getting upset over "Nothing" and will end with the word "Fine".

Go Ahead (normal eyebrows): This means "I give up" or "do what you want because I don't care". You will get a raised eyebrow "Go Ahead" in just a few minutes, followed by "Nothing" and "Fine" and she will talk to you in about "Five Minutes" when she cools off.

Loud Sigh: This is not actually a word, but is still often a verbal statement very misunderstood by men. A "Loud Sigh" means she thinks you are an idiot at that moment and wonders why she is wasting her time standing here and arguing with you over "Nothing".

Soft Sigh: Again, not a word, but a verbal statement. "Soft Sighs" are one of the few things that some men actually understand. She is content. Your best bet is to not move or breathe and she will stay content.

Oh: This word followed by any statement is trouble. Example; "Oh, let me get that". Or, "Oh, I talked to him about what you were doing last night". If she says "Oh" before a statement, run, do not walk, to the nearest exit. She will tell you that she is "Fine" when she is done tossing your clothes out the window, but do not expect her to talk to you for at least 2 days.

"Oh" as the lead to a sentence usually signifies that you are caught in a lie. Do not try to lie more to get out of it, or you will get raised eyebrows "Go ahead" followed by acts so unspeakable that I can't bring myself to write about them.

That's Okay: This is one of the most dangerous statements that a woman can say to a man. "That's Okay," means that she wants to think long and hard before paying you retributions for what ever it is that you have done. "That's Okay" is often used with the word "Fine" and used in conjunction with a raised eyebrow "Go Ahead". At some point in the near future when she has plotted and planned, you are going to be in some mighty big trouble.

Please Do: This is not a statement, it is an offer. A woman is giving you the chance to come up with whatever excuse or reason you have for doing whatever it is that you have done. You have a fair chance to tell the truth, so be careful and you shouldn't get a "That's Okay".

Thanks: A woman is thanking you. Do not faint, just say you're welcome.

Thanks A Lot: This is much different than "Thanks". A woman will say, "Thanks A Lot" when she is really ticked off at you. It signifies that you have hurt her in some callous way, and will be followed by the "Loud Sigh". Be careful not to ask what is wrong after the "Loud Sigh", as she will only tell you "Nothing."

Mischa, when you get to 25 posts the ugly loafers change into something a little more feminine; at 50, it changes again. This, apparently, to encourage you to share your thoghts as often as possible.

The main thing she worries about is our daughter getting stick from her friends for my heel wearing.

Something you ought to be losing sleep over too, Dr. Shoe. I know from experience.

And when we can't, we go to the bathroom in groups. Yes, be worried when you see this! We're plotting! It is exactly as you expect!

This brings to mind a delightful recent movie named "The Sweetest Thing"; but I'm sure that you didn't have THAT particular scene in mind when you wrote this Laurie.

Your first answer was disappointing, though expected. Not even a private e-mail or something?? It's not as though you can find an internet tutorial onthis sort of thing you know. Oh well.

(This is meant, mostly, for the rather enlightened and liberal-minded women in/on this board)

Pardon my possible paranoia, but I saw a word here on this board the other day(http://www.hhplace.org/hhboard/viewtopic.php?t=1051) that I have only heard used in conversation as an adjective once before in my nearly 50 years--both times by women to describe feminine behavior in a guy. The word is "girly". In normal conversation "girlish" might be heard occasionally, but "girly"?

This got me to thinking that there might be some hidden language consisting of words, cues, etc., that only girls generally know and use, similar to some fictional stories by Orson Scott Card, Fritz Leiber, and others.

My question is, Is There?? And if so, would you be willing to share some of it?

Just curious...

Perhaps America's falling out with the Muslim world began during the "reign" of Teddy Roosevelt. I once read a story in a nationally syndicated newspaper columnist article that went something like this: There was a Greek-American immigrant named Perdicarpos (or something like that) that was captured by some Algerian potentate named Raisuli. Teddy Roosevelt sent an American Naval gunboat into the Raisuli's home port; it fired a few shots into the city, then sent a message via Marines to the "palace" that read, simply, "You have 24 hours. Perdicarpos, alive, or Raisuli, dead!" My earlier posts on the Arab-Israeli conflicts are based on several history books I have read, some by Israeli authors, some by American non-Jewish authors. The only one I can remember at the moment is by Chaim Herzog.

I wore these...

under these..

at ComDex in Las Vegas, NV, on Nov 19. No reaction (other than very sore forefeet), but then the 37" inseams on the MUDD Jeans hid all but the last 3/4" or so.

The fringe boots (size 12) were purchased at a PayLess in Las Vegas, same day. I notice that they are only available on their web site up to size 11. My first time in relatively narrow heels in a (very) public place.

I'd love to date a girl wearing them! I wouldn't mind wearing them either--nicely gothic (to me at least).

Black cotton/lycra snap-front pocket MUDD cargo pants, Purple flowers/green foliage button-front shirt, size 12 4-1/2" heeled boots (mid-calf) with 3/4" platform T-shirt style bodysuit and panti-hose, Today all women's, though dressed as a man--I don't do drag, sorry!!

AGREE! The only compliments I ever get about my clothes are usually from women, and always for some article that was originally sold as "Women's". These include several shirts made out of polyester/lycra microfiber "moleskin", boots, and whisker wash lace-up (cotton/lycra) jeans. I have several all polyester microfiber moleskin shirts made for men--but never get compliments--the fabric doesn't "drape" as well if it has no lycra (and it sure as heck doesn't feel as good either).

There's a book out, can't remember the title as I gave it to my daughter to read, that posits that those with ADD/ADHD/OCD have genetic inheritance from the "hunter-gatherer" type of Homo sapiens that was mostly supplanted/killed off by the crop cultivation type several thousand years ago. The basis of his thesis is the types of behavior that ADHD persons exhibit wouldn't be a liability, but instead a help for a hunter/gatherer. It would be interesting to find out how many hi-heel wearing men have some form of ADHD...

BRIBE (e.g. the cost of doing business by another name!)

In answer to the ORIGINAL question, I think that we should fire-bomb the 12 square miles of off-limits (to the UN weapons inspectors) "presidential palaces", by surprise so that Saddam has no chance to move extra civilians there, but stay the HELL out of Iraq and let them kill each OTHER off! We ought to do something to protect the Kurds, though, from Saddam's sadistic wrath...

Black, especially matte, hides. People expect to see black shoes especially on men. Therefore, if you want to wear high-heels in the open, it SEEMS to be potentially less embarrassing, or you BELIEVE it will attract less attention. Whether this is actually true may be open to question, but in your inner psyche, you think it is, and that makes it easier to find the courage to try wearing heels in public. Also, traditionally, nearly everyone, even the wretchedly poor that might only be able to afford 1 or 2 pairs of shoes in a lifetime, had access to lampblack and lard, the original ingredients of "bootblack". It wasn't too difficult to impart a kingly blackish shine to a pair of roughout leather shoes, assuming some elbow grease was available, especially if you only wore them once a week to church.

Is Calgary about to lose, and Edmonton about to gain some brilliance and charm? Or will it be the other way around?

When Janise caught the x-boyfriend in her apartment wearing the high heels he told her he wanted her to have sex with him while he was wearing the shoes. He wanted her to make love to his "feminine side".

I wonder what "feminine side" definition he was using while he was beating her up and attempting rape? A sadistic control freak by any other name, or for that matter, in any other attire, is still a sadistic control freak. But that shouldn't imply that ALL male heel-a-holics are.

I doubt that Janise relates much differently to hi-heel-wearing men now than she did B4 she had her unfortunate, and admittedly traumatic, experience. She was turned OFF by the sight then, and probably would have been turned off by such a sight long B4 she met the PUTZ. Many women are, if Laurie is to be believed, perhaps even the vast majority, however illogical this may seem to some of us men. This just further supports the theory, DUH, that women think differently than men!! Attempting to change how a person thinks, especially someone who does not want to change, is, indeed akin to beating one's head against a brick wall.

I have tried to install Debian 2.4 and Mandrake 9.0, from both boot floppies and CD-ROM, and it freezes in the middle of the first boot disk on these lines (or the CD-ROM, which I downloaded from a Mandrake mirror site at the Univ of Wisconsin): PCI_IDE: unknown IDE controller on PCI bus 00 device 48, VID=10de, DID=01bc PCI_IDE: chipset revision 195 PCI_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide 0: BM-DMA at 0xe000-0xe007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA ide 1: BM-DMA at 0xe008-0xe00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA And there it stops! I finally got Red Hat 7.3 to install (it used its' own set of generic default IDE drivers) but the computer completely freezes about one second after typing in "startx". Has ANYONE been able to get a successful install on this board (or any other nvidia nforce chipset motherboard for the AMD CPU)? And if so, what "tweaks" did you use to get it to work?

Why don't you try mail order at Alloy.com. They specialize in teen and young adult girl's jeans, among other things, but feature jeans in Junior sizes to 25 (that means REAL BIG!) and inseams to 37 inches for those girls who like to wear 4" thick soled sandals and still have their hems drag the ground. Naturally, they are all low riders, some button fly, some lace-up, some "whisker wash"; they even have low-rise Dickies chino flares with 37" inseams. Average price is about $35-40/pair. Shipping is free for orders over $75 in the states at least. No I don't work for them!

Guitar and Mandolin, only occasionally, mostly Joan Baez-style folk music. Always wanted to learn the Bagpipes (for my Campbell Scottish heritage) and the oboe, but never had opportunity, tho I did start to learn on a practice chanter once, B4 my son got ahold of it...

Three thoughts: It is a testimony as to how emasculated the UN really is if you were to seriously consider what the world would be like right now if the Un were to suddenly, "poof", disappear. Without the US, the UN would be more feckless and stercoraceous than the League of Nations that preceded it. And more bankrupt. They have NEVER been able to fill the roll of the world's policemen, and they never will. Whether the US should fill this role is debatable--the world owes us far more than we owe them! Israel had the right idea about handling Saddam back when they bombed the sh** out of the Nuclear Reactor the French were building for him (at least one instance of bad judgement (or was it greed?) coming from the mainland of Europe...). There is always the possibility that Bush is using one of the oldest (and most successful, if Brittish history is to be believed) political tricks in existence--that of starting a war for the purpose of bolstering a failing economy. He ain't as dumb as he let's on! :rofl:

You might try signing up for a college course or two (you don't have to finish, or even attend!); credit card companies LOVE to offer their services to college students...

May God bless and keep your relationship alive, and may you both become and remain each other's best friend.

twas a short-lived fad while I was going to college ~1976 to wear black fishnets over some colorful tights--like red or purple. I thought it was quite sexy...

List 1. 1. 1-2cm platform boots 2. 1-2cm platform mules 3. 1-2cm platform slingbacks 4. Avia, Saucony, or New Balance anti-pronation running shoes 5. ANY Men's dress shoes or boots (double yuck!) List 2. 1. 15-20 sq cm plastic capped block 2. blade 3. relatively larger block, plastic capped 4. narrow, almost-stiletto 5. any soft rubber block or wedge heel (yuck-can't walk normally unless they are runners, e.g. low heel)