DandyDude

I see this has been a fast growing thread. Well, I, too, usually wear ankle boots with heels. I mainly was mulling things over in my mind in regards to the others. It would be good to have more of a style choice.

I've been a bit net-reclusive for awhile, so forgive me if I bring up past topics. I do think this thread is from a different tangent than a recent thread that appears to be similar. What I am referring to in this topic is not what you DO wear in public, but what you would wear if you could wear what you want without fear. Also, what you would wear if you could find the proper size, for those who have that trouble as I do. I have trouble with regular, ugly "men's" shoes as it is. Wearing a men's USA 13(women's 15) is not easy. Plus, my feet are a bit narrow. Something I would like to find, but unfortunately seems to be going out, are pointy-toe court stilettos with the low-cut sides and an instep/ankle strap. I think they would look great with a dark suit. As I've noticed others say, the easiest things to find in larger sizes are those fetische heels, which cater to the TG crowd, of which I do not consider myself part of. I'm not particularly fond of the styling, plus my feet are a bit narrow for them anyway. Rather, I'm more like FireFox in considering shoes to be part of a total outfit that does not have to appear as what would be called "drag". In other words, I prefer the same styles that women usually wear, the stylish ones. I love Italian styling, and would like to have some heels that go with my dark velvet suits, something other than the usual ugly shoes that resemble police or military wear. You know, those hideous black barges.

Anyone into Japanese Visual?

Azra...I wouldn't do it to an unwilling woman.(sssshhhh....it's a fantasy...) Fox, interesting that you chose my alternative choice. Yes, CZJ is quite a good choice. Your choices would go perfectly with her colouring and womanly figure. I take it you understood my last sentence.

I thought this would be an interesting thread. I guess I'm the only one here into the pin-up aspects of shoe-love. Okay, topic closed.

I put this here because I want the underlying sexual tension that would exist with the men. I'd dress Nicole Kidman. I'd part her hair on the side, trim to give a Veronica Lake look(sort of). White disc earrings. Bright red lips, fingertips, and toes. Black liner and mascara. A bit of blue shadow, no base on her fabulous skin. A sleeveless dress with fitted waist and full, pleated circle skirt(mid-calf length). White with red polka dots. Matching lace wristlets. White bracelets. Bare legs, a little gold ankle bracelet, and bright red 6" pointed courts. All I would ask in return would be the opportunity to remove those items at my discretion. The shoes stay on, of course. Next?

For a time in the early 80s, men wore shoes and boots with heels and pointed toes. A lot of musicians, of course. The late Randy Rhoads wore a sort of hi-heeled jazz oxford, usually a solid colour with contrasting piping. Early Crue wore the pointed stiletto knee boots. It was a style. Nothing to do with gayness, and everything to do with attracting females. Of course you were called "fag", but with women hitting on you who really cared. I do think it's time to break completely from the idea of cross-dressing.

6'4". Thing is, for aesthetic purposes heels actually look better on people with more height. _________________ "To kiss, pretty Saki, thy shoes' pretty tips, is better than kissing another girl's lips." -Omar Khayyam <font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: DandyDude on 2002-06-02 16:22 ]</font>

Sure you're not thinking of "Guida"? I've been to clubs wearing heels, make-up, nail polish, and some sort of outfit. I'll get hit on by the female bartenders, and some other men will imply I'm gay. I get phone numbers.

Laurie, believe me, the women I am referring to do pretty much the same thing. i've come to accept it as part of the interplay between men and women. With the old sex roles having been broken down, a line of demarcation is needed. Hence the return of several stereotypes, albeit in parodic/updated forms. For instance, the Internet has helped facillitate the return of the Victorian custom of men and women writing to each other for some time before actually meeting. Also, I fully admit that a woman who is pulled together has a quite large head start towards getting my attention. I realise that women find pleasure and self-affirmation in attention they receive from men. The acknowledgement of those facts makes the relationship more playful and less hung up on outdated roles.

Vicki...I believe you got it! Luc...I feel the same way. I coordinate/plan my outfits and my footwear ties it all together. Laurie...My point was more that they express an aggressive femininity, highly sexualized, through their attire/look. I've met quite a few who become kittenish with me, and they are still pulled together. They seem to want me to "take over", more or less. That's fine with me. Is that what you meant by "passive"? Believe me, a woman that is pulled together, at least to me, is anything BUT "passive". If she plays her cards right, she can wrap me around her little finger with ease. You see, I acknowledge a woman's power over me regarding things such as that. I admit I love the pulled together look. In my admission, there is strength.

I'm wondering how the ladies consider their shoes to be an expression of "what's inside" and what it means to them. The women I know who are shoe conscious tend to be very forceful in real life. They do fully embrace the "pulled together" look. I've noticed the women I know that are "pulled together"(meaning that they go for all aspects: clothing, jewellery, hair, nails, make-up, as well as shoes/stockings)tend to be highly sexual, in an aggressively feminine way. They consider their attire to be natural extentions of their personalities. Comments?

Okay Laurie...I understand. You were commenting on certain contradictions re your thoughts on the subject. I respect your honesty(and your reasoning powers). I enjoy a good argument, so that may have had something to do with my approach. Also, awhile back I posted on a music board that I wear heels(the topic was glam-rock) and from the reaction I got, you would have thought I'd confessed some horrible crime. As for my posting, I have found that women who are attracted to me tend to be into retro-glamourous personal style. I collect pin-up art and that gives me a subject to break the ice with women as well. Hoping things are okay now.

Sorry if I was a bit brusque, Laurie. Maybe it comes from being attacked a lot? Anyway, it's very possible for a man to wear heels AND be an admirer of women who wear them as well. I know I am. I've posted elsewhere on these boards that my favorite "look" on a woman is "pulled together". You know, a sort of retro-pinup-bombshell look. Very dressy. I would say that women that have been attracted to me have had shoe collections. I've known women who have posed for modern pin-up art wearing their own shoes and dresses. I'm also a big admirer of the classic pin-up art as well. Again, my apologies.

...my point was that with the right man she would get PLENTY of attention.

Okay Fox...I just felt I had to respond to Laurie's sexism re men wearing heels. After all, how does she know other women wouldn't envy her for having a man who was secure in himself and his masculinity enough to wear heels? A lot of women complain about men expecting them to accentuate their looks whilst being sloppy themselves.

...also, I've been told(as well as figured out) that having the balls to wear heels is actually very masculine and very appealling to women. I pretty much agree with JB. As for Laurie. You would turn down a date with a man because he wears heels? Because you think you won't get enough attention? I would think a man who wears heels would give you so MUCH attention that any problem with attention from others would be offset. Would you call a man who gives you shoes as gifts of love "attention"? How about a man who, although he is not married, would be willing to build an extra climate-controlled room onto the house so his wife could have and continue to expand her shoe collection? I think you ought to look a bit more before you make such generalisations.

My personal experience is that women who like men wearing heels tend to be into clothing themselves. Not in a fashionable sense per se, but more as an extension of their personality/sexuality.

Slim...I hear ya!!!!:-) SQ...sounds like a good idea. Now...who's going to make sure they are coordinated properly?

Fox, "down-low" is the huge trousers hanging off the behind, short hair/shaved head, long T-shirts, work boots. It's essentially derived from prison "styles" and has pretty much been forced on people by the media here. The name comes from the fact that those trousers are worn in prison in order to make a certain "act" easier.

My point was essentially that the down-low crowd dominating the media makes things a bit harder for anyone who doesn't look the same way. It does remind me of old stories about Zazous/swing kids getting in serious trouble with Hitler Youth/Nazis. Essentially, both HY and down-low are/were aggressively utilitarian, and anti-ornamentation in any form.

Fox, are you saying you don't think there is a renewed pressure on males to be "masculine"? The rap-"down-low" style(?) of dressing is the very antithesis of male freedom. Men who were into style had for decades taken cues from women(winklepickers w/hiheels in the 60s, glam/glitter/platforms in the 70s, spandex/satin/pointy heels in the 80s, even a meld of those things in the 90s(although American media would have you believe the 90s were all about grunge). I like the styles of womens shoes/boots in the last few years, the spikes with long, pointed toes. A bit of an 80s revival to a degree. If you go to a shoe store in any large city, you will generally find the only thing they have "for men" are those ugly military/police derived shoes. Those, or athletic footwear*shudder*. As for the people on here pretty much doing their own thing, true, but I believe at least acknowledgement by others has in the past helped to keep the wolf from the door, so to speak.

Stiletto ankle-boot with the long pointed toe as found on fashionable women's shoes/boots. 5" heel, preferably in black w/inside zip with ring pull. A studded boot-strap and wrap around ties at the ankle would complete the look, to be worn with wide-leg trousers.

Luc...I second that motion.

As one who "lurks"(mainly from trying to get a handle on this board) mostly and hasn't posted much, I feel I MUST comment on this thread. Firstly, I like wearing shoes/boots with heels. I am NOT trying to fool people into thinking I'm female(CD/TG/TS), or even trying to mock-impersonate women, which is what FIs do. I started wearing heels because musicians were doing it. The fact that girls liked those musicians helped a lot, believe me. I'm involved in music, and women still like men in heels, believe me. I also am into design, so I liked the looks of heels on both sexes. I'm to the point where I accept my attire choices as being part of my personality, and I have no desire to change. I consider men wearing heels(I'm talking about as men, not faux-female) to actually be extremely masculine. Taking the "beating" posts at face value: I would call a man who would do such a horrible thing to be someone who would probably be the first one to call a man openly wearing heels a "faggot". In other words, that person is coming from an entirely different perspective than a man wearing heels as a fully integrated part of his attire. As for the talk about "feminine": My personal taste in women(yes, I'm straight) is overwhelmingly towards the "pulled-together" look. You know, high heels(of course;-) ), skirts/dresses(preferably knee-to-midcalf length),very obviously made-up, with beautiful manicures and hair. I would say that Debbie who posts here and has pictures up would fit into that catagory(I love those silk dresses...mmmm). Actresses I find most appealing are Nicole Kidman and Catherine-Zeta Jones, both of whom dress very well and have great legs. I love Angelina Jolie's wardrobe in her most recent picture. Those skirt suits and pointed stilettos...yummm. I just stared at those beautiful legs/heels and those red-painted lips. Believe me, my thoughts were heterosexual!! In other words, my taste has shifted MORE toward "feminine" women. Another thing, it's true that a man wearing a skirt will not wear it the same way/look the same as a woman wearing it. For example, a woman in a slim skirt and spikes will have her natural pelvic tilt and wide hips emphasised. Men don't have that. Anyway, people emphasise sex roles BECAUSE they are squeamish about acknowledging the TRUE, BIOLOGICAL differences between the sexes. The new roles now are that men must dress in a highly "masculine" manner(actually highly gay), known as "down-low". I personally think that male heel wearers(and the women who love them) will end up like the old swing kids or Zazous who dared to practice male peacockery in the face of shaven headed, saggy-baggy Hitler Youth. Another thread, perhaps?