DandyDude

I noticed the influx of posters from these boards to that site has already started!

From my personal experience I can say it's quite easy to purchase the kind of heels for roleplaying/fetish, but almost impossible to get heels, especially in my size USA/M13, for regular wear. While I do like stilettos, it would be great to have half of the selection of heels women have. I'm not even talking about courts et cetera, but basic heels such as the Harleys Micha mentions above. As for the designer above: Ask him about designing more of a regular type heel as well as the more provocative ones. Don't forget larger sizes as well.

Susan- I basically agree with Chris' post. I tend to associate with people who are more or less similar to me in crucial areas. There would be not much chance for me to become involved with a woman who is expecting a man who would (seemingly) willingly play the straightlaced role to the hilt. If I did encounter such a woman and we somehow hit it off, she might very well be a hidden vixen herself. I've known a few kinky female lawyers in my time. Yes, there is no excuse for abuse, whether mental or physical. I do believe, however, that there can be a back and forth effect regarding certain problems. For example, if a woman tells a man he can't wear something as if he is a child, then he may get angry. I think the mildest amongst us would do that much. I also believe that male secretiveness and a woman's insecurity can play off of each other. If you have a straightlaced businessman type who relieves the tension in his life by xdressing, by which I mean actually trying to create a pseudo female, a woman trying to boss him around may very well set him off. I also know that woman like to test men to see what they can get away with. Again, the families/lives that are ruined by the extreme things I mentioned on the other threads, there is no excuse for that. I'd say, again, that people need to go into relationships with their eyes open. Women expecting a man to be a stereotypical manly man may find out that he is/becomes a man's man!

This post is taking this thread round a bit of a corner, I just want to comment on something I read on the girls' forum and this is probably the place. Yakumo doesn't care about his partner's health in twenty years. He says he will carry her around for the rest of his life. What would make any sane woman believe that? He thinks so little of her that to gratify his desire to see her wear high heels that he doesn't care if she does permanent damage to her body.

With comments like of this quality from guys posting on the girls' forum, no wonder there is resentment, and no wonder we're all tarred with the same brush.

The post you are referring to is the sort of thing I was hoping to avoid when I first came to the original boards. I liked HHP because it appeared to be more of a social club as opposed to many, many boards on the net where the most vile things are posted. What I wear is a style to me, much like the mods with their 3" heel boots, drainpipe trews, and black eyeliner. I have no interest in reading, let alone participating in, discussions where people brag about mutilating themselves. There are other boards for that.

I'd gotten mad because the influx of certain types of posters have caused a change in the more casual atmosphere there was at one time. That seemed to drive off woman posters as well as to stultify what conversation there was left. I still don't like the fact that the few of us who posted occassionally in the women's forum to ask a question or to be in the discussion and still keeping in mind the purpose of the forum, were being punished because of the actions of the influx of those certain types of posters into that forum.

As I've said, I've abided by the new rules. I was never one of those who took over the forum anyway, merely an observer who would occassionally ask a question or three. Let the "resurrection" thread revert to its original topic, and direct any comments to Susan to her thread. Perhaps the common forum will grow in postings.

I'd much rather a 13yearold read these boards than a hiphop board or a board run by child-abuse advocating crazies. Keep the fetish things out, ghettoise the gender crowd as is being done, and perhaps a youngster reading this board will be able to learn something from it without being scarred for life.

Admin-I was answering Susan from a post she made before you said anything. Yes, the topic has changed considerably from the original post. As has been mentioned, going off on tangents is not always easy to avoid. I said what I did about continuing it from another, previous thread in order to establish some sort of continuity elsewhere. It was intended to either put the thread to rest or to get the postings back to the original topic, but by my last post being replied to, it has been continued, which was not my intention. Thank you.

To Susan- Thank you for your welcome candor. Some of the type of people I was referring to may very well turn into the type of people who abuse. I'm sure a lot of them merely get lost in their fantasy world and end up leaving their families to play pretend woman. Abuse is unacceptable, and the kind where the family is broken up over the man's fantasy is harmful as well, albeit not in so much a physical but more emotional sense which can be worse. Being a man can be very frustrating, and those who are not able to integrate their personalities may be driven over the edge by their own contradictions. Personally, I come from a style angle. I'm not trying to fulfill a fantasy of being a woman, which I think may arise as I said above from stress at the role a man is expected to play. Women can do so many things a man can't, one of them is to dress as they please. "Men"'s clothes are, frankly, hideous, especially more so with the control of hiphop on two generations now. If a woman dresses as a stereotypical man, she may be called a dyke, but probably not assaulted. If a man were to get femmed up and walk down the street, he may very well be killed. Those are extremes, of course. There are other factors of inequality as well, but they are for another discussion. Again, abuse is unacceptable. I do think people ought to try and go into relationships with their eyes open and not be blinded by stereotypical expectations. A super straight laced businessman would be the most likely to engage in those actions, the classic transvestite being a super-strict type with women's undies under his suit. I wanted to answer Susan, and perhaps this topic could be continued on my "Segregated..." thread below on this forum as it would please the admin.

Okay Katherine, I'll elaborate. Perhaps "a certain amount" would be a better choice of words. I'm referring to those who evntually leave their families and try to live as woman. I am not talking about your run of the mill male heel wearer. I'm talking about a certain group that considers wearing heels to be somehow being female. I'm trying to avoid anything that might offend a casual surfer here, so I may not be as clear as I would like to be. I can send you some links, but I won't post them as I don't wish to give any publicity to those sites.

I mentioned what I did because I thought maybe Susan above was obliquely referring to men who do start out wearing heels in a secretive manner, lying to their wives and then trying to live as a woman. From what I understand, that sort of thing causes anguish to many women. My above post was trying to tell her that most of us are not that way.

Again, my wording could have been better and I'll change it now.

Jay

To PIB, do you think heels for men will ever become fashionable again or do you think as I do, that society has gone so far into the Tims/FUBU/chaff look that it will never happen? Have you thought of posting a link to your bf's band pix so we can see an actual male musician wearing heels? Where does he get his heels?

Susan, I think I understand what you are talking about when you refer to what heeling men have "done" to you and other women you are referring to. Please correct me if I am wrong, but are you thinking about the sort of man who acts extremely stereotypically masculine; wears heels in secret and lies to his wife about it; has feelings of shame; and then up and decides he wants to live 24/7 as a woman or unreasonable facsimile thereof? If so, I understand your worries as a *certain amount* of men who start out wearing heels DO end up leaving their families to live as pretend women. There are sites all over the internet where men brag about the steps they take to achieve their virtual womanhood. I can think of some sites that even advocate "treatment" of young boys who don't act enough like the stereotype of what society thinks they ought to be. I'd say if that sort of thing didn't bother you, you would be quite perverse. However, not all heeling men are that way. There are some, such as myself, who consider it to be more or less a style. I NEVER try and pass myself off as a woman, I've no desire. For some men, the stress of the male role is so much that they start to confuse society's role with something genetic, thereby going off the deep end and becoming entranced with the idea of being a woman. My personality is more integrated than to have that happen. As for the sex-segregation of the forums, I agree with you. I think by doing so, a new thrill is set up for the gender crowd. What better way for them to get vicarious thrills than to register and post as a woman in a supposedly all-woman forum? That's just another form of "passing." As for the childbirth/orgasm thing, 'twas a crude attempt at levity based on the fact that women's feet/toes become as en pointe when the woman is quite aroused. Names? I think a lot of men are slithering around these boards afraid of being recognised, which would be why they don't use names but nyms. You can call me Jay if you'd like. Please feel free to speak your mind. Jay

I used to go to midnight showings. A few of us would be let in the backdoor by a member of the floor cast. A good time was had by all.

the so called "sex segrigation" is THE BEST thing to happen to this place.... it just happened 4 years too late!

I too would love a girlfriend that liked me, understood my Disability (high functioning Autisim) , my "interest" and like me, likes a good time!

I don't agree about the segregation, obviously. Perhaps you should reread my post more carefully.

Interesting how almost everything is labelled a "disability" nowadays. It's like the DSM lumping heel wearing men in with the genderly confused crowd.

I've never had the pleasure of meeting a woman in person that was into me wearing heels. (I mean I live in the midwest... nuff said.) God knows I would love to though.

There was a time when you could see many heel wearing men throughout the midwest. What is interesting is the fact that women who are older tend to be the ones who have the worst reactions, yet in their youth, male heels were actually fashionable.

Hey guys,

As a 29 y/old headstorng and extremely independent,career female,with an extreme heel fetish, you attracted my curiosty.

I have no problem with guys heeling at all...can be a turn on in some cases...

I figure if you like it and feel comfy doing it....so be it...

Heel-Power to you guys................

Cheers

Vicious HH

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I'm having a flashback to ye olden tymes on these boards before the sex-segregation foolishness even started. Kudos to you.

From what I've seen, older threads prior to the moratorium date have indeed been grandfathered.

There may be a slip here and there, but that date was very well discussed and will be honored. I'll bring up possible slips on the moderator's forum.

Thank you.

I've noticed a few "slips" today.

Ain't that the truth!

I've done a good bit of lay counseling over the years, and having worked with several good friends who're either psychiatrists, clinical psychologists, or marriage and family therapists, we've all come to the conclusion that those who wrote the DSM-IV havent' the slightest clue as to how fashion has varied throughout the ages, or even throughout the world's present.

They should rip their noses out of the fashion world and stick to hard science, such as schizophrenia and other real disorders.

Some people skydive. Some people edit encyclopedias. I guarantee you both occur in far lesser proportions than men who wear skirts of heels, so, statistically speaking, skydivers and encyclopedia editors are more absnormal than crossdressers, and deserve their own special chapter in the DSM-IV!

Ernest Borgnine collected stamps - probably the only actor in the history of Hollywood who did. Does that mean he should be committed?

Seriously, I strongly suspect the folks that wrote the DSM-IV were being strongly pressured from certain mentally obsessive-compulsive conformists who want a perfect, uniform world - their uniform, and I also strongly suspect about half the folks who wrote the DSM-IV were themselves possessing of these obsessive-compulsive disorders.

As for the clinicians who refer to the DSM-IV like it's a holy bible of psychology, phooey! Their idiots, unable to think for themselves and realize 9 Billion people will never fit into a two-inch-think book.

I think a large part of the DSM was written to give the drug/dope pushers a larger profit!

Every woman I know approved except one and she had this hang up about wanting a mans man, what ever that means. Well I told her that I'm a womans man and that was the end of that.

That's funny! I think I would do the same thing. I've always found it funny that "ladies' man" is considered an insult yet "man's man" is for some odd reason considered complementary. Are people so thick they don't notice the homo-erotic inference in the latter? I guess that woman didn't.

For the days when it was a style thing, and not a chapter in the psych's book of nonsense...

I've not been out in heels that often, but the only two comments I got from women were a smile and a thumbs-up. That was in a rock club with very loud music though, so there wasn't chance for much of a conversation. They were both in their twenties at a guess, and were rock chicks. Not that you really see any other kind in there!

Chris

I think at times people aren't satisfied with the info on the net as it doesn't tell actual experiences people have with online shoppes, such as how true sizes are, and quality issues such as construction.

My point that I was trying to make was this: I personally believe that the influence of the psychs has made everything that is not "average" into some sort of deviancy to be isolated. Therefore, male heelwearing will remain in the niche of "transgender," as opposed to like it was years ago as a fully integrated style. As for saggies, they are the new norm, not the deviancy/fad. Kids grow up nowadays wearing that sort of rubbish as a matter of course. It is the standard by which everything else is judged.

Hmmm...I see this topic is deader than the proverbial doornail. It was merely an attempt at discussing if certain types of woman seem to respond when you are heeling. Carry on.

I'm wondering if a certain "type" of woman seems to be interested when you are street heeling. I tend to get from up-front "girly" women, those who are somewhat aggressive in both personality and femininity. I've found that some people tend to think that only some sort of role reversal would be going on if I was with a woman at all. Ergo, any woman with me must be stereotypically masculine. That is far from the case, of course.

Ah ha... Sorry dude, didnt figure you meant it like that....

I figured you meant it from the "Just an FYI to ya" perspective.

Dandy, I stand corrected and apologise if I read that the wrong way...

No hard feelings hopefully and yes, I now agree totally with your post...

Cheers mate:fine:

Apology accepted.

wow, they are up to size 46? i bought a pair of lumiani's in size 42 and took a bit of breaking it before it finally felt like the fit well... now it's not a problem anymore, just took a week or so in them.

How does the width tend to run in those boots?

Nope I am looking at what I have on my shoe USA 13, EUR 46 1/2, MEX 30, UK 11 1/2.

My size 12 clog from Foni as well lisits it sizes as USA 12, EUR 45, MEX 29, UK 10 1/2.

Perhaps that is proof of necessity of trying things on.

That chart is wrong. The USA sizes are two apart in reality, such as M13 and W15. I'd say that's just another reason to try them on.

Admin: I meant that as an example of how it is taken for granted that the Admin is the boss, whilst the mods are more or less the subordinates. That was all. On most message boards of whatever design, the admin is usually top dog, whilst the mods are the subordinates, not just the ones I mentioned.