DandyDude

To Admin: On just about any available message board format the administrator has the most power. Moderators are limited in powers. Since in your case it is different because you are more or less the hands-on person while the rest are the staff, you did right by telling people. Check out any number of EZBoards. The admin is also the boards owner and has the most power. That is standard.

Well, that's not how the "Everybody" forum is seen. That forum is seen as a general purpose one where you want answers from/discussion about "Everybody!" I believe the posting that is at issue started in an honest attempt to engage the women in dialogue by seeking THEIR thoughts about female oriented topics. The other that came along later was what really set things off. As for your predicament, on message boards the "admin" is higher in rank than a 'umble "mod." That is why people contact you and not the others. You are saying you are the board tech more or less, and don't have much to do with general decision making, correct? A thought here: Why not move some of the older threads in the women's section into the everybody's so people can post on them without having to worry about offending anyone?

Indulge me as I started this thread. My points were that the fighting was started by the influx of the gender crowd into the women's forum. Certain female posters left, others decided to stir shit. I can think of one who actively baited by accusing all heel wearing men of being ipso facto trannies. I got into the argument because I was tired of the insults and also sick of the supplication. I wondered recently if it's good for the board to have female posters who actively despise the men here. There are many boards where the men grovell and the women insult them. There are also many boards where men boast about their "modifications." There are a few boards where men discuss their style choices, but they tend to be segregated by sex. This is the only board that has been trying to deal with men wearing heels in a non-fetish way, inclusive of women, as those of us who wish to wear them as part of a style would be ridiculed on fetish boards and drag boards as well. I'd like a return to the days of reciprocal posting. Those were my points, more or less.

when I was growing up I was acquainted with a kid in the neighborhood Sam U****..once I went to his family's farm and his mother was there..believe it or not, she actually lived in about a four inch pump for every day around-the -farmhouse wear...of course, my predispositions had barely been formed but she made a lasting impression on this 12-13 year old kid and will always be someone whom I shall never forget....

Jim

JSpikeheels

...and those exceptions will make the most impression on you.

yeah there are no heels up there... but it's NOT really the place for them...

when I drove "The Iron Maiden" I wore boots or drove it barefoot... better car control...

er no... if they were there would STILL be places where they wouldn't make sence... like farms, steel mills, foundries and building sites... because at those places I would prefer a pair of blundstone boots over a pair of 8.5" platform boots or even 3" cowboy boots...

Of course farms are not "the place" for heels, and appropriateness would basically become the norm for men. There would still be DebbieHK/LaurieHeels types, which is alright by me.

no Johnnie... :-) we - our family - has a farm out in the West Australian Weatbelt...

My July '75 Datsun 120Y - known as "The Iron Maiden" was my preffered form of transport at the farm and most fun belonging

EVEN more than ANY of my heels!

no I didn't kill it..it's a DATSUN!... it's still complete/intact... I just can't get up there for personal reasons...(please don't ask!...) so now i'm planning these

http://www.exoticfootwear.com.au/www/271/1001127/displayproduct/1001966__.html

chris100575... I agree I think Everyone shold be able to wear what they want...

when they want!

the amount of 2.5"-3" heels in US womens 13 here.... is like rocking hose crap!...

so even if I did want to wear heels in public Murphy's law seems to stop me!

not every man can live in heels all the time...

just popped in beause I was feeling down... feeling much better...

On a farm, I daresay even women don't wear heels. Hell, I lived in a rural area for some years and the women didn't even wear them OFF the farm!!

If heels were okay for men, then there would be a balancing out. That means all heights would be worn.

Kudos to New Look. I would add that this is just about the only board dealing with men wearing heels that is trying to deal with it in a non-weird way. You want to wear "stripper shoes" in the house and not go outside, fine. People such as myself like to wear heels outside, and we like being able to discuss certain aspects without the blanket condemnation we would usually get on the more fetish boards as well as on more drag oriented boards. You can call me "assimilationist" if you wish, but I don't wish for men wearing heels to remain marginal.

As I've said elsewhere, EURO46 = M/13;F/15 USA. There are several sizing systems and it is very easy to get them confused. For example, most longer term posters will recall when 6" Heels came on line. Their Chinese system created a lot of confusion on these boards. It took me app. 20 email to find out I couldn't get anything I wanted from them because of my size. That didn't stop them from trying to sell me those crappy hiphop things they USED to carry!

Never though of it that way, possable but I am looking a pair of mine that I am wearing right now in a size 13 by Foni form Payless and it say it's a Euro 46.5, and I usualy find a 13 to long for my foot.

The below make very good quality. I have two pair of the ankle strap boots in women's 15W. The heels are 5 1/2", one pair of black and white each.

http://www.usashoes.com/Sexy_Footwear/Sexy%20Boots.htm

I take EURO 46, which is USA M/13;F/15. Perhaps you are looking at a pair of your boots with a different sizing system than the USA's.

Funny, according to charts and my own experience as well, a EURO 46 is approx. a women's USA 15. That would be a men's 13, which is my size. I have stiletto ankle boots in that size, and they fit great! Hoverfly, pehaps you are applying the old length/width compensation. You know, get a bit more length to make up for the narrower width of women's boots.

Hello Dandy Dude -

There are a few new members who are women, I have found them to be respect - worthy, and can only ask that you please not generalize us, and give each new lady a chance to earn your respect and dialogue.....

As for men posting in the girls section, I find all of this silly. I am a strong "Girl", and cannot be run off just because there are more men here then girls. If I felt you were overwhelming me in "my" section, I would respectfully tell you.

I personally find the mens opinion of a womens subject informing and important to me, but this is me, and I am not the administrator of this forum.

Would be great if we could all share and play nice....I wear a size 11, Anyone wanna come play with me???

Katherine (Mrs. Heels to the Mr. that wears my heels too)

Hello Katherine Heels:

Thanks for replying. I would not say that I was judging all women who may post here, but only commenting on a few shit-stirrers who seemed to have gotten their way now. I had posting chats with a few of those who are no longer around, I enjoyed it immensely. LaurieHeels was quite interesting and had great taste in shoes to boot, no pun intended but unavoidable.

I'm willing to go along with the new policy, let's see what happens. I do think the "women only" crowd would be better served by the more female oriented boards, although they ironically enough have some male members and the women don't mind their discussions.

Size 11? I wear a men's USA13. Like yours, it is one size above the cut-off point for standard sizes. I have a hard time finding regular "male shoes", let alone heels. I've found a site which has ankle boots made in USA up to women's size 15W and WW inclusive. They are very well made and quite resonable. They fit quite well.

Perhaps the everyone forum will begin to fill up with male/female dialogue. We shall see.

DD

Actually, a few years ago, before uncontrollable men drove them off, there was a rather large contingent of women who posted there regularly, on a wide variety of quite good, healthy, wholesome, female-heeling topics.

They enjoyed themselves, and life was good.

Along came a bunch of dudes who thought that because they wore heels and other feminine clothing they could post there willy-nilly.

The women felt violated, robbed of their territory, and almost all of them left.

Since this is a site about heels, not about males who wear heels and who outnumber the women in the women's section by 5 to 1, we came up with this rule to restore balance to this website.

Please respect our decision.

Thank you.

I don't think you quite grasped my point. I KNOW that there were regular female posters. I REMEMBER when that forum was invaded as opposed to what I and a few others did, which was post there to either ask the women a question, or to engage in a bit of dialogue on a topic. It didn't bother the women then. There are older threads from when LaurieHeels was a regular wheer some real dialogue was going on, no stupid attacks/supplication from either side.

What DID really cause a lot of problems was the influx of the gender crowd, which as I said was discuswed in all those threads about who ought post in the women's forum and who ought not. They were given their own forum, but they had their cake and ate it as well. Meaning, they posted in the tranny forum whilst also dominating the women's forum.

Eventually, the supplication/begging started. A certain poster who said that all heel wearing men were ipso facto trannies started severe arguments with several people. I jumped in after having been away from the board for awhile. It was impossible to take both the insults from that poster and witness the supplication of some of the other posters who were so desperate for female posters they would put up with such crap as that one gave out.

I'm willing to go along with the segregated forums. Perhaps there will be more female posters, perhaps not. If there are, will they be any worth dealing with. Do the men here really want a nest of queen bees who hold them in absolute contempt?

Time will tell.

If you want to see what the fuss was about, check the older threads with similar topics in the female forum. That person and I really went at it. I'd gotten tired of the same old refrain and so many of the other posters were scraping and grovelling that I just couldn't ignore it anymore. To the admins: I've noticed you are deleting men's posts on older threads there brought back up. I am asking you to not do that, please grandfather those threads in. For one thing, they were made before the rule change. Secondly, it throws the metre/continuity off of the thread immensely. Thank you.

I would have to agree that most women accept or at lest tolerate men in heels out side virtual reality. Only a few on this board who been absolute against men in heels have proved to be unwilling to apply common and intellectual brain power to look beyond the cover of a book. But then again the older the person the less accepting they are to new ideas and change. Or others are down right bigots, and brain washed religious fanatics. I see no reason why men should be involved in the Girls section any more and should be left to the Girls. Those who have been against men in heels have clearly, acutely sunk their own ship with out us have to point it out. Let them seek freely, here unless it violates the rules and let the mods post links to the guys section if we have something to say about it. As what I have seen on other boards the majority of women are not agents men in heels, just steer those to those board and let the women discuss it

I say, let the women who bitched about men being in that forum lie in the bed they themselves made. Let them put up or shut up, meaning post or don't post.

I would dialogue with a few of the more respect-worthy women in the past, but they are gone and I don't wish to argue with the "men in heels want to be women ipso facto" crowd that seems to be having their way. So, I don't really give a flying anymore about it.

Sole reason why women are in a minority at the HHPlace:

Women don't need a forum dedicated to High Heels to discuss about wearing High Heels. They already have The Fashion Spot, Vogue or Style.com for that. Women don't need emotional support when wearing High Heels because it is socially acceptable for them to wear heels without ridicule (although ridicule for men is dwindling) and worrying about what people think about their sexuality.

Personally, I think the only way that any female posters will be regulars here is if they are the more extreme types such as LaurieHeels. Yes, women have the regular fashion boards to discuss what they wear, and heels are acccepted for them so it does not have the pathos of men who wear them.

In short, I agree with you about the women, but try telling anyone that. As for male acceptability, I believe it to be getting worse, for the reasons that the dl thing is so strong plus the tendency of the media and people in general to think of anything not "regular" as "transgender."

Okay, now no male is allowed to post ANYTHING in the "girls'" forum for any reason. Supposedly that will bring back women to posting there. Well, what kind of women post there, based on what I've seen so far of course? You have a woman who was a long ago poster emphatically saying that she would have nothing to do with men who wear heels. She also intimates that men who wear heels are NECESSARILLY trying to pose as women. While that may be true of some, now most apparently, of the posters here, it is not mechanistic. I recall when the problems about that forum appeared to be getting to a head back awhile. There was a poster who kept insisting ALL men who wear heels want to be women. She took people's postings out of context, argued with quite a few, including me. I gave it back to her two for one. Some others agreed with me, while others practically encouraged her abuse and supplicated to her rantings. The problems started when an influx of the gender crowd appeared on the boards. They started to post there and gradually took over the forum, driving the few real women away. They were given their own forum, but the seeds of division they had planted grew quite fast. That has been discussed many times elsewhere, and not only by me. It eventually led to the first of the "reforms", that all topics there had to be strictly about women, which was reasonable, if a bit stilting to the postings. After a few twists and turns, it got to the point it is now with no males allowed whatsoever on that forum. Perhaps some of the women who posted here before will return. Would they be the kind who thinks all men who wear heels are budding trannies? I'm inclined to believe so. If so, is the male segment of this board so desperate that they would encourage abuse by women and for the sole purpose of keeping women on the board? As it appears a lot on this board are into forced transvestism/"feminisation," it would not suprise me in the least. While the Stilettos Goddess herself, LHeels of course, had issues with men wearing heels, she fully admitted her contradictions, and was willing to engage in some dialogue with men. She is well missed by me. Great heels, and a bit of a brain as well, albeit a bit frustrated. I believe I used the coffee klatch analogy first in terms of how women tend to see their forum. As I also said, men who wear heels have different issues such as gult feelings over liking heels. I do not see the influx of the gender crowd as being conducive to men's coming to terms with something that is really harmless, and I also see the extreme attacks on heel-wearing men by supposed women I think would be better served by the likes of style.com as having the same effects. Funny how the women on those more overtly female oriented boards are more likely to be willing to at least consider the idea of men in heels than on this supposedly sexually integrated one. I know that I'm not the only one who wonders just how many of the shit-stirring female nyms who were here for awhile were actually men posing as women. Not posing as trannies, but posing as actual women. Again, perhaps some women will post, perhaps not. Perhaps the forum will be taken over by poseurs, perhaps not. If women do post, will they be spouting the same old rubbish about heeled men being trannies de facto? Time will tell. I now turn this topic over to any and all comments. Thank you.

The original link doesn't work anymore.

The point is that they are not INTENDED to be attractive. Too many men forget that women don't wear heels all the time, don't wear dresses and be pulled together all the time. Yes, you have our dearly departed Goddesses, but most women are not that way. Women have been as inflenced by the slovenliness trend of society in general, witness those "things." Personally, I like the pulled together look on a woman, but most women don't wear that sort of thing. Think UGGS. A more appropriate name has never been coined.

think about it...is high heel wearing all that mainstream with women? go out and count all the women you see in one day and see how many are wearing heels over 2 inches....not that many,and why? because they hurt your feet!...nuff said.

I think a good part of that is due to the fact that women can dress as they please without much fear of censure. If heels were completely fully integrated into what is acceptable for men, I've no doubt that it would balance out to where men who do wear heels would vary their heights as women tend to do. There would be a few Laurieheels and JennyHK types who would be a bit more venturesome, Prometheus bless them, but the majority of men would most likely do as women do now, vary. I also think that women have a certain sort of female mafia that sets acceptable female behaviour amongst women, women do tend to be quite hard on each other about attire. I recall several of the former posters discussing how they would get certain epithets thrown their way when they wore heels.

I like the pink outfit best. The fire escape one has a nice pose and cute outfit, but her shoes are semi-obscured by the darkish background. Shame, beautiful black stilletos they are! Shrimper, she is Jon BonJovi's maternal cousin as well. Her mother is Diane Hurley, former stage actress. Diane's sister Carol is a former Bunny and is JBJ's mother. Small world, ain't it now? BTW...Greetings from a fellow shrimper!

It would appear that I'm still a valid member here at HHplace... as the new board is based off a 3 month old Board.... which still has me as a member!...

but I DON'T want be be off the board yet!...

anyway... things have been great...

my datsuns are going great, I Haven't bought any more heels for 6 months...

why you ask?... simple I DON'T "Streetheel" and I never will!!!

the "streetheel, streetheel streetheel" vibe I get from HHplace gives me the shits!...

if you are a 5'7 98 pound weakinng you might get away with "streetheeling" in 4.5-5' stilletos but for us "bigger built" guys I't's NOT possible...

If I could go "streetheeling" I WOULD NOT be doing it in 2.5" boots....

I would be using my "new avatars" (7.25" platform mules)

But I can't be stuffed doing it... I'd prefer to practice my Handbrake turns and powerslides in my July '75 Datsun 120Y

I have NO problem with guys that wear heels.... I just won't be wearing them (in poblic).... I won't be dedicating a page on my website to them either!!

I will no go back to where I came from!....

later,

TXT-1

I'm over 6' tall barefoot. I'm also an experienced Latin/Ballroom dancer and have that type of build.

I'm not at all confused about my gender. I'm a man living in a man's body who nevertheless thinks (as identified on several different gender identity tests) more like a female than a male. And I like wearing skirts and heels, too, with the occasional dress. Right now I'm in a black polo shirt, jeans, and a pair of black two-strap RSVP wedges with male underwear. Oh, and two of my nails are painted with Revlon's Pure Pearl (020).

I found it interesting that the guy identifies as a glametalpunkdustrigoth. I wonder what the "dustri" means.

I have no desire to be a woman, nor do most men who wear heels. But some do, and that's ok, too, just as some women want to be guys.

Well, I don't agree with the whole idea of "gender identity." To label someone because they don't fit some sick stereotype of appropriate thoughts is quite degenerate, IMNSHO. I liked opera when I was a child, still do. I walked, talked, read earlier than most, things the gender police say girls do earlier than boys. When I was in elementary school, I preferred to be with the girls at recess, I hated recess anyway, and I got a lot of crap for it. Funny thing though, I had real girlfriends at the age when boys were supposed to hate girls. I had a girlfriend at age two, her name was Kay. I played baseball, could throw a "football" around, and played a mean game of REAL football(association). When I got to my teen years, I would get flack from short-haired jock types who were vile to me because I had long hair. I'd say the fact that I was tall and girls liked me got to them as well. In fact, there were several cases where jocks would tell girls "He's gay" and then try to put the moves on me themselves. Since I wasn't interested, it didn't hit me right away what was going on. Three incidents only became clear in my mind fairly recently, and I'm still laughing. In case anyone isn't clear, they were "cruising" me in various ways.

I don't like to be labeled. A site I used to read ran some crazies off the message board for posting how they yearned to have their penises cut off because they were "really" women." It was on a freestyle board, and some queens were posting an article where some trannies went to Asia to be "changed." The trannies were spewing the usual about "trapped in a man's body," and how they didn't have changes because they were already "really women."Those who posted it were positively gushing. Others posted that the board was to expand clothing choices for men, and promoting otherwise plays into the hands of those who say that men who wear heels etc, ipso facto want to be women. It was done.

My point was that people need to think of heel wearing men as a form of male peacockery, and not as sexual confusion.

I think as long as male heel wearing is associated in any way with "gender," then it will never be seen as anything other than a way for some men to express their sexual confusion. As for the talk about platforms not being real heels, men wore cuban heels in the early 1960s and 1980s. Wayne Cochran wore 4 inch heels, electric blue suits, and a huge blonde pompadour in the early 1960s. My point is that heels for men will never be regular until those who wear them as a style separate themselves from the "genderly confused", who are the main ones promoting the idea that men wearing heels are wanting to be women.. Note the myspace page linked below:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=4100637

The page belongs to someone who admits to wearing skirts. He also admits to wearing heels. He is not "genderly confused," he even has a girlfriend who is a pin-up type model. Check some of his links on the friends list.

Not really, but there was a post on that site fairly recently from someone who wanted to know the difference between metrosexual and gay. I think of metrosexual as being gay, due to the Caesar haircuts, but the two are not interchangable.

I guess this topic has changed from my original appeal to the women to post. Ehhh...when in Rome...