DandyDude

well I quite agree with you on this dandydude, in that its the way people will look @ this concept- mainly that ALL men are gay (quite untrue) OR that are trying to be TG (again, quite untrue) that want to wear any kind of shoe (or boot) with any kind of heel! I will always be trying to figure out (well rack my brain then if you will) on how most people will answer you (or any of US that is) when you put to them the question as to WHY high heeled boots (or shoes) should be worn ONLY by women, (& I do quote) "because, they are womens footwear, not MENS!" well, now I ask you all this-WHY are they supposed to BE only for WOMEN!!?? it seems to me that no one seems to KNOW the WHY of this, only that they do not have to THINK about it, it seems a lot easier to just "go with the flow" like "well its always been this way" (for a few decades anyhow) or some such crap:angry: I do NOT know how in the hell these "womens styles" are thought up anyways or all this "for him-for her" stuff & a lot of people just follow along like the sheep they are-better not to ask TOO many questions about all the WHYS in life, "follow their lead" I mean, like GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

I think the media promotion of hiphop has a lot to do with it. The attire is gayer than Rob Halford, but the media conviently ignores that fact. Try telling them that women like men to wear heels as a style, and they will ignore you. As for the styles and how they come up with them, they pilfer past eras. The long point stiletto was around in the 1980s previously, for example.

What are you talking about? Those shoes are mine.:academic:

Funny!!!!

Then don't call them "women's shoes," or anything like it. Saying "women's shoes" automatically sets up in their minds that the heeling man is trying to be a woman.

The problem with the fashion industry regarding men's heeling is that it tends to look at everything as either a 1960s or 1970s revival. It does that about just about everything, it tries to tie it to the past in order to justify and classify it. Thing is, it gets things wrong in the classification and it also gets things wrong regarding what is happening at any particulat time. For example, the styles for women in the early 00s were basically revived and mutated early 1960s and early 1980s revivals. The only thing really out of place was the small bellbottoms on the trews, as the trews in those eras worn with stilettos were skin tight all the way down the leg("spray-ons"). The media then tried the so-called "luxe"-look, but it had been around in the earlier part of the decade and was not the revival of the Eisenhower era as the industry tried to paint it. They said it was a rejection of Spears and the like. True, but not the way they wanted it to be. The industry were already trying to revive the floral prints and chunky heels that were a staple of the early 1970s, so the "luxe" was a spasm before the inevitable return of platforms and whatever. Regarding men's heels: The clothing styles mentioned in the article are from the early part of the decade(plus bells), including the heels. Since the media doesn't like to admit the wearing of things by males other than FUBU, "Tims," and shaven heads, they will again discuss something after it has pretty much disappeared. They are trying to promote the grunge revival, which FUBU fits neatly into, and also promote a sort of neo-glam revival at the same time. I don't think the spasm of sharkskin suits and cuban heels will deter them from the platform revival. In the early 1980s, a lot of men wore a sort of cuban heel(around four inches) oxford. It was a popular style with bands back then, along with stilettos. I never see any mention of that in discussions of the 1980s. I just don't think the media will allow men's heeling as anything more than a perversion. Also, proclaiming a love of women's shoes in general will not help, as it plays into the accusation that all heeling men are necessarilly "TG."

I'm just wondering why this topic is in the rant forum. It's about how people started wearing heels - perhaps it got here by mistake and no one noticed.

Awhile back when we were discussing the new rules for men, it was posted here. Then when Susan was posting threads, it got so aw shucks friendly that people starteed to post regular type threads in this forum. Note the title change of the forum around that time.

What's so interesting about stopping/cutting down on heeling because of age is this: Women over, say, 35 grew up/were alive to see the wearing of men's heels as a style. Younger women were not, and I'm sure their fathers who wore heels because of Ziggy Bowie/Slade/Whatever in the 1970s or in the 1980s because of Twisted Sister/et al are busy denying they ever did.

Again...what happened to the times when it was a male style?

There is also a difference between transvestism and freestyling as well.

Gee...at least part of that sounds awfully familiar. I wonder why.

Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, of course. BTW...I did a GOOGLE search for OK, and this thread came up, because of my sig apparently.

Will it ever again be a style, and not a chapter in the psych's handbook of crimes?

Hey Bigfoots!

Look at these.

Very nice boot and up to a size 46 / US 15!

Not cheap, but look like Real Nice Boots.

Click here: Lumiani 76 (Dark Brown) - High Heel Dress Boots

I just checked their site. Those boots are not available, but the flat heels from the same company still are. I wonder, did they sell out of the above, or did they quit carrying them because they didn't want men buying them?

is its possible to order them to delivery on europe?

I'm not sure. perhaps you can email them at "awadams AT earthlink DOT NET." Usual character substitutions apply.

Okay, I'll leave you two lovebirds alone. You two decide what "Wolfie" is going to wear. I still say the matching legwear and ballets, but that's just me.

Bringing this back up as it is still relevant...

When did all the musicians start showing up here? As I've said before, that is the sort of thing we need. Perhaps someone can invite Toxic Twist and their friends to join these boards.

Well, if you are NOT going to be wearing it to work, then the first thought would be a St. Trinians look. That would play into the sexy schoolgirl look you say you don't want. I still say have the monochrome hose and ballets. That would give it a sort of 1980s look. Anything else would have either the schoolgirl or cybergoth look you say you don't want. Perhaps you want to wear an oversized denim jacket with the sleeves pushed up, a striped tee, net stockings and Chuck Taylors?

I've seen several posts by women on these boards lamenting that people call them "sluts" and "whores" for wearing heels. Those insulting women are only expressing the views of the female mafia. A lot of women are insecure about themselves, so they attack men who seem to do what they consider female things better than they do. I'm not talking about actual female imitators, merely someone who is able to pull off heels. As I've said before, I'd like it to become as it was when heels for men were considered a left-field style choice for men, rather than some chapter in the DSM as it is now.

Wolfgang, I think you ought to acknowledge the hijacking of that type of skirt by Spears and play a twist on the schoolgirl look. If you wear the green ballets/matching hose, it will present a clean line. The pink top and alice band will give it a sort or neo-1980s look. Whatever you do, don't wear the white kneesocks, as that WILL play into the schoolgirl look you don't want.

Those who are willing to allow their lives to be ruled by a comittee called "they" are inevitably heir to all manner of fears and the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. How can anyone say they have truly lived unless you have decided to chuck all that judgmental stuff and live life to the fullest, regardless of what "they" think? I still herald: Unto thine own self be true!

"They" can, and do, make it much harder for people to do anything that doesn't fit into a prescribed mould. The male role has become narrower and narrower with each passing year. The hip hop fetters on a new generation are making things worse. Forgive me if the thought of being rounded up and forced to either be a FUBU or to be labelled as something inherently repressive such as "TG" does not appeall to me.

Individualism has its limits. The "individualism" of an Ayn Rand is complemented by the herd mentality of Naziism.

I would think she's from Maine, Vermont, or New Hampshire...

When a girl I've dated discovered I wore heels, the first questions she asked me was, "have you ever had any relations with another man?" The usual string of questions about being gay, bi, etc., so I can understand why those who're straight tend to be a little sensitive about being labeled as gay just because they enjoy wearing heels, skirts, or other clothing normally designed for and worn by women.

It wasn't that long ago, or maybe it was, that a man who wore heels was considered a bit daring. That alone made him more attractive to women. I think all the talk about "transgender," a system of classification that is highly oppressive to anyone who doesn't fit the narrow hip hop (Down-Low) definition of masculinity, has pretty much queered, no pun intended, the chances of heel wearing returning to its previous state of being a sort of daring thing that gets women.

When I started wearing heels, I got more attention from hotter girls, I was a boy myself, and that sort of reinforced it with me.

I don't think male heel wearing will ever become even the left-field fashion it was before, too much bogus masculinity going on and too many attempts by the gender crowd and their psych allies to label everything a mental illness and then shove it into the little "transgender" box.

Shrimper, she said that she wanted to wear flat-heeled shoes. Those ballet pumps would be perfect. They are pretty and would be very comfortable. Wolfgang, I know I didn't mention it before, but what do you mean by "over the knee tights?" Do you mean capri-length leggings? If not, do you mean thigh-highs?

...what they said...

What are the colours in the skirt aside from green? If it has black, then the top you mention may work okay. White hose would need black ballets especially with a black top, and that would really play into the schoolgirl/Lolita stereotype you wish to avoid.

There is no way to avoid the association, especially since BSpears permanently made those skirts associated with her.

My suggestion would be to not try and pretend the association doesn't exist. Instead, acknowledge and twist it a bit. For example, wear green opaque legwear and green ballet pumps. A pale pink top would be a good match, perhaps a matching alice band for your hair.

These would be the shoes: http://www.frenchsole.com/collection/ballet-flats-stock.php?style_id=1