DandyDude

I don't mind my foot size (USM13), but I don't like the even more limited amount of shoes available than for a USM12. The internet sizes tend to quit at 44-45Euro and I'm 46, so that option is limited even for me.

I still say the "androgny" talk helps to keep male heeling under the influence of the trans crowd and their allies. As for styles, I like boots and oxfords with heels. I do like those courts that David Johansen wore in the Dolls, he made them look tough.

As I said before, there were oxfords with at least 4" heels for men that were worn in the early/mid 1980s. The problem is that when you are talking about heels "for men" not looking like women's heels is the fact that women have taken almost everything under their collective wing, and they have worn shoes with heels that could be construed as being "men's" shoes with heels. A lot of the early 00s women's styles resembled what was made for men in the 1980s. The only things I would really consider as looking like "female shoes" would have to be courts or pumps, and even they originated as men's shoes hundreds of years ago.

Black with a silver stripe, sometimes reversed.

True, demoniaplatforms. True. Like if they was to make some heels for men than look like they was made for men. Know what I'm sayig?

In the early 1980s, there were 4+ inch heel oxfords for men, a lot of musicians wore them. Let me see, the late Rhett Forrester of Riot was one. I'd like to see that again on a mass basis.

well I quite agree with you on this dandydude, in that its the way people will look @ this concept- mainly that ALL men are gay (quite untrue) OR that are trying to be TG (again, quite untrue) that want to wear any kind of shoe (or boot) with any kind of heel! I will always be trying to figure out (well rack my brain then if you will) on how most people will answer you (or any of US that is) when you put to them the question as to WHY high heeled boots (or shoes) should be worn ONLY by women, (& I do quote) "because, they are womens footwear, not MENS!" well, now I ask you all this-WHY are they supposed to BE only for WOMEN!!?? it seems to me that no one seems to KNOW the WHY of this, only that they do not have to THINK about it, it seems a lot easier to just "go with the flow" like "well its always been this way" (for a few decades anyhow) or some such crap:angry: I do NOT know how in the hell these "womens styles" are thought up anyways or all this "for him-for her" stuff & a lot of people just follow along like the sheep they are-better not to ask TOO many questions about all the WHYS in life, "follow their lead" I mean, like GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

I think the media promotion of hiphop has a lot to do with it. The attire is gayer than Rob Halford, but the media conviently ignores that fact. Try telling them that women like men to wear heels as a style, and they will ignore you. As for the styles and how they come up with them, they pilfer past eras. The long point stiletto was around in the 1980s previously, for example.

What are you talking about? Those shoes are mine.:academic:

Funny!!!!

Then don't call them "women's shoes," or anything like it. Saying "women's shoes" automatically sets up in their minds that the heeling man is trying to be a woman.

The problem with the fashion industry regarding men's heeling is that it tends to look at everything as either a 1960s or 1970s revival. It does that about just about everything, it tries to tie it to the past in order to justify and classify it. Thing is, it gets things wrong in the classification and it also gets things wrong regarding what is happening at any particulat time. For example, the styles for women in the early 00s were basically revived and mutated early 1960s and early 1980s revivals. The only thing really out of place was the small bellbottoms on the trews, as the trews in those eras worn with stilettos were skin tight all the way down the leg("spray-ons"). The media then tried the so-called "luxe"-look, but it had been around in the earlier part of the decade and was not the revival of the Eisenhower era as the industry tried to paint it. They said it was a rejection of Spears and the like. True, but not the way they wanted it to be. The industry were already trying to revive the floral prints and chunky heels that were a staple of the early 1970s, so the "luxe" was a spasm before the inevitable return of platforms and whatever. Regarding men's heels: The clothing styles mentioned in the article are from the early part of the decade(plus bells), including the heels. Since the media doesn't like to admit the wearing of things by males other than FUBU, "Tims," and shaven heads, they will again discuss something after it has pretty much disappeared. They are trying to promote the grunge revival, which FUBU fits neatly into, and also promote a sort of neo-glam revival at the same time. I don't think the spasm of sharkskin suits and cuban heels will deter them from the platform revival. In the early 1980s, a lot of men wore a sort of cuban heel(around four inches) oxford. It was a popular style with bands back then, along with stilettos. I never see any mention of that in discussions of the 1980s. I just don't think the media will allow men's heeling as anything more than a perversion. Also, proclaiming a love of women's shoes in general will not help, as it plays into the accusation that all heeling men are necessarilly "TG."

I'm just wondering why this topic is in the rant forum. It's about how people started wearing heels - perhaps it got here by mistake and no one noticed.

Awhile back when we were discussing the new rules for men, it was posted here. Then when Susan was posting threads, it got so aw shucks friendly that people starteed to post regular type threads in this forum. Note the title change of the forum around that time.

What's so interesting about stopping/cutting down on heeling because of age is this: Women over, say, 35 grew up/were alive to see the wearing of men's heels as a style. Younger women were not, and I'm sure their fathers who wore heels because of Ziggy Bowie/Slade/Whatever in the 1970s or in the 1980s because of Twisted Sister/et al are busy denying they ever did.

Actually, the term "lesbian" as we know it today started as a name a certain group of literary women called themselves. It was more about Sappho's literariness rather than sexuality, if anything she was what we would now call bisexual. "Gay" used to be used to describe both sexes of homosexuals. Let's say I got it "straight" from the horse's mouth.

Thanks for the link, Kneehighs. The main problem I have with "male lesbian" is that it implies that the man is an imitation woman. I think the thing to do is to try and more fully integrate one's personality. I do know that when I did what I did I didn't even have curiosity about being a woman, that came on reflection later. I also don't buy the "masculine/feminine" dichotomy either. With all the DSM bull going on, I can't help but recall when men taking style tricks from women was considered a bit hoodlum-y, not the "TG" nonsense it is now. I think how I've met women by asking them for makeup tips, I can't imagine someone who is twenty-ish doing that now, as women appear to want DL types who may very well give them AIDS. A side note that I'd like comments on: For a long time, a man/boy imitating women in certain ways actually helped him with them, and it was considered daring and a bit hoody as well. Example: Elvis Presley in his early days wore eye makeup, and had his hair dyed and styled in a beauty salon. Of course, we all know Elvis had a lot of female fans. I can't help but think of The Four Seasons covering "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow?" That was an absolute chick song, and that took a lotta Moxie for Frankie and his boys to do that!!

The link didn't work for me, I always got an error messge. I gave up trying. I have no need to wear heels to "experience what woman are feeling." I do wear them, but not for that reason. I also have a lot of personality traits people associate with women, but I don't see myself as a transsexual. My problem with "male lesbian" is its implication that not being a super-stereotypical man make you a weak person who wants to be a woman. A person can say they would like to be a woman to be with women. I've had thoughts myself along those lines, no transsexualism involved at all. That comes from envy of certain things that women are allowed to do that men are not. In my case, it also came from the dykes I knew being very "take no shit" types. I'd say that brought about my love of strong women. When I was a dyke daddy, I was around a lot of them. If I had continued my studies instead of being yanked out because was caught with a girl, I may very well have stayed in the little "family" I had. I often wonder about those women and if I may have eventually married one of them.

The term USUALLY is used for someone such as Eddie Izzard, as he himself does. It has to do with wearing certain items, and being attracted to women while doing so. He does come from a TV background, and I'd say he has fallen for the psychs' "gender" bullshit. Nice heels, though.

I still say that the music crowd ought to be encouraged to post here. There are men who wear heels and women who do AND like men who do as well. I think it has to be realised that women who are looking for a straight-laced business type will always be adamantly opposed to men in heels. They are the ones who are most likely to attract the classic transvestite, ironically enough.

Okay, point taken.

I'm guessing the former poster is someone who went past freestyling into drag into transsexualism and now calls themselves a "lesbian" because they are still with women. As for "male lesbian," I think of Eddie Izzard when I hear that phrase. While he wears things considered "feminine" albeit it in a very butch way, I don't see how that makes him a lesbian of any stripe. This topic brings me to something of my past. When I was in my early teens and going to school in New York (I was a dancer/singer/actor), I started to hang around women's bars. I would dance with the baby dykes by the jukebox. I became known as a "dyke daddy." In fact, I was given the title by a woman I knew then. Because of my family connections and my studies, I knew a lot of homosexual woman, especially in theatre/music. They influenced my likes in women as well. As a certain woman said to me when I asked her what kind of women she likes, "I like aggressive femmes and cute butches." My DD dream is Portia DeRossi, aggressive label femme and all around babe. I admit, I envy women's freedom in certain areas such as clothing, that does not translate into a desire to be a woman. My personal style is very, very dykey. Tight jeans and stiletto boots, that is dyke style. Of couse that's not the only type of woman that wears that sort of thing, but that was dyke style. Nowadays, the term "dyke daddy" is used by extreme butches shading into wanting to be men.

Again...what happened to the times when it was a male style?

There is also a difference between transvestism and freestyling as well.

Gee...at least part of that sounds awfully familiar. I wonder why.

Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, of course. BTW...I did a GOOGLE search for OK, and this thread came up, because of my sig apparently.

Will it ever again be a style, and not a chapter in the psych's handbook of crimes?

Hey Bigfoots!

Look at these.

Very nice boot and up to a size 46 / US 15!

Not cheap, but look like Real Nice Boots.

Click here: Lumiani 76 (Dark Brown) - High Heel Dress Boots

I just checked their site. Those boots are not available, but the flat heels from the same company still are. I wonder, did they sell out of the above, or did they quit carrying them because they didn't want men buying them?

is its possible to order them to delivery on europe?

I'm not sure. perhaps you can email them at "awadams AT earthlink DOT NET." Usual character substitutions apply.