lorriette

I like those, couldn't see a problem with men wearing them daily instead of trainers.

I may have inadvertently hit a raw nerve with some members. The ladies here are lovers of high heels, above and beyond the norm. Comments had been made re: lack of interesting female threads, and I was simply pointing out that they have a unique section to hold interesting (for them) threads, that unless they post, then improvement won't take place. I did commend their posts elsewhere on the board. Thank you all for the lively exchange. lorry

amanda, no offense, but you ladies seem to lack variety on your own forum, yet prove imaginative on the rest of the board. Why not start some threads about reaction to heel wearing in unexpected places, ie. shops, meetings, playgroups or parks. Perhaps even some fictitional dream settings? I'm not saying it would attract more ladies to the board, but since you have your own section, it's worth a try, after all, there's nothing to be lost by trying.

Ladies, what would be your re-action to seeing a man wearing, or buying for himself, the same shoes/boots as you are wearing?.

second one is better. As to men on the street, doubtful, like heels, most don't have the conviction and are too worried about being seen as macho.

The obvious answer is to go down backwards!.......same as walking on the level. TA_DA

good legs, love brown boots. thank you

It's a funny thing, but I don't wear male shoes that are uncomfortable or do not fit properly. Now heels, that is a different story. The majority of my heels fit and are (comparitively) comfortable, yet I tend to keep, and occasionally wear the ones that don't. If I am representitive of the guys here, then the title should read ;- Are high heel wearers masochists?

I have previously bought myself shoes in ASDA, but generally find they run a little small. It's the norm for me to do the supermarket in heels, but I don't tend to wear stilettos because i'm usually the one whose trolley has a dicky wheel, and I find a chukier heel stays put easier when fighting the errant trolley around corners and obstacles. As a side note, my heels have been noticed many times, yet to date, no one has openly commented and reaction is like seeing anyone wearing a style or colour that is different, or just missplaced, i.e. tux with yellow and red bowtie buying groceries at market. Have just remembered some ASDA ankle boots, size 8, 100cm thin heel, pu construction. Good fit, heel tip[plastic] survived over 6 months wear including weekly shopping, and although past thier prime, still are serviceable. Cost fifteen pounds or $38 us.

FIRST NIGHT, Next day "you're not mad at me mum?". "Not in the way you mean it, no. I am angry with you our Di, encouraging him without telling me, and for the other night"."Look, i'm sorry mum, that was the first time he's been out like that, honestly, and, well, I didn't feel I could betray him by telling. I can see now that I should have done something". "That's right mum, last night was my first time in all her clothes and with make-up and that. I normally only wore her shoes, and sometimes have borrowed tights and a dress". "I thought some of my things had been moved". "Enough of that, the thing is, where do we go from here?. It's not that I mind your playing at being a girl,and as you have done it again today, I assume you want to continue?, but there are all sorts of things to consider". "I suppose dad will stop me, and give me a hidding for being a whimp". "NO he won't, and anyway, he probably wouldn't find out. He's not comming back here to live. No, I was thinking more about school, your friends, and the neighbours". "Oh, that's easy mum, I've only got one more term at school, they wouldn't notice me missing, and maybe I could be schooled at home. I haven't any friends I bother with, and we don't see that much of the neighbours either. I can't explain, but i've always wanted to be a girl, that's why I put up with Di tormenting me, I want to be like her, with her. I can get work to pay for things like she does, I won't be no trouble and Di said she'd me and that". "What, encouraging you to drink and smoke is her idea of helping you?". "Aw, come on mum, it wasn't like that, he looked so good, he just had to go out and get the feel, experience the buzz. Anyway, lots of fifteen yearolds drink and smoke a bit, and not all of them are bad kids and hooligans. I've been doing it for a couple of years now, yet you've not noticed, and I have not got into trouble". "Well Di, I didn't know, and am quite horrified that you've been doing these things, that I didn't notice, and I suppose other things too?". "Let's not go there a moment, can Bobbie remain living as a girl, and if so, how are we going to go about it?" "I suppose the answer is yes, Calm Down you two, but Bobbie will have to finish this term, as a boy, no make-up, hair pulled back into a ponytail, no nail varnish or jewellry, no girls clothes what-so-ever, understand?(nods). Then I shall have to find out what we can do for next term. I take it that despite your good grades, you don't want to stay on for A levels and then college, and that would be a shame. I'd better make us an appointment for the doctor too, there must be someone we need to see". "It's not that I don't want to go to college, but I want to be a girl, a proper girl, and I don't think I would be allowed. I'm sorry mum, but I'd rather do an ordinary job as a woman, than have a career as a man, I don't want to be a boy, a man. I know it doesn't make much sense, but I've felt like this for years. Last night I put on a show of reluctance for Di, but deep down was so thrilled at getting to see how I wanted to be.I was scarred of being found out, but secretly overjoyed at being helped over the guilt hurdle. Now i've been there, there's no way I want to go back. I'm really sorry that you've lost your son, mum, but it has already happened. Don't blame Di, this would have happened sometime, and despite the fact we were naughty, we came to no harm, she made sure of it". That brought tears to Julies eyes, and so to hide it, she suggested the girls come inside and prepare tea, whilst she went off to think things out, consider the future.

gwl1, I crossdress and i accept some of the points you make. The vast majority of people who post, advocate fashion freedom, free expression and acceptance of others choice. While it would be nice to remove any reference to anything remotely sexual, I don't see how a line can be fixed as to what is not controversial, given that many here believe men wearing footwear manufactured for women is in itself deviant behavior. I, amongst others, have overstepped the boards rules, and the moderators have quite rightly removed it, and when asked, given thier reason. It would seem that most members accept this, and are happy with the way things are. If this argument is to be pusued, perhaps it would be better off in the rants section.

I bought a two-tone tan pair in Evans.

intresting start, where will it go from there?

Bubba136, Those of us who have no special status( working class) don't have as far to fall. If exposure is an issue, one has to decide if a risk exists and what damage would happen. Fear is ok, but there are many here who have made the choice to be open; eg xa in the gallery, would the youtube video exist if his jeans had been worn over the boots?, probably not, but he made a statement and was prepared to accept the risk. Only he can say if anything has changed, but for the most part, the effects are short term and if they occur on a regular basis, the shock effect diminishes to a level that breeds tolerance.

two in each ear. wear all types, pull through, dangly, hook, stud, gold, silver, beads,hoops, large and small. get a lot of odd looks with some, but hey, have piercing, utilise hole. got plenty of compliments when driving the taxi, or minibus, especially with heels on friday/saturday nights.

I ticked all choices, as i wear appropriate for the weather. For as long as your footwear is not at odds with the rest of your clothes, wear what you want. Once you've done streetheeling, refering to the guys here, different styles are easier to try. Caution, be sure the selected footwear is comfortable and appropriate for the walking you intend doing. If in doubt, carry another pair that are tried and tested. Have fun, strut your stuff, stuff those that think your odd because you probably are.

I think you have answered your own question. 5" thighboots are stage/ non-mainstrean, 2.75" kneeboots are everyday staple attire erco, brain has to be used and fails to fit input into preconcieved pigeon hole.

johnheel, I wanted to do that when we moved to our present house, and put raised borders with seasonal plastic flowers. My soh said a definite NO, but she is now seeing the sense in it. Tending the garden in anything other than wedges is a nightmare except in dry spells when it is baked solid.

NEXT DAY "You're not mad at me mum?". "Not in the way you mean it, no. I am angry with you our Di, for encouraging Billie without telling me and for the other night". :Look, i'm sorry mum, that was the first time he's been out like that, honestly, and, well, i didn't feel i could betray him by telling, it was only meant to be a bit of fun. I can see now that i was wrong, and should have done or said something". "That's right mum, last night was my first time in all her clothes and with make-up and that. I normally only wear her shoes, but sometimes borrow tights and a dress". "I thought some of my things had been moved". "Enough of that, the thing is, where do we go from here?. It's not that i mind you playing at being a girl, and as you have done it again today, i assume you want to continue?, but there are all sorts of things to consider". "I suppose dad will stop me, and give me a hidding for being a wimp". "No he won't, and anyway, he probably won't find out. He's not comming back here to live, No, i was thinking more about school, your friends and the neighbours"."Oh, thats easy mum, i've only got one more term at school, they might not notice anything different, maybe i could be schooled at home even. I haven't any realclose friends, i don't bother much with anyone, and we hardly bother with the neighbours. I can't explain, but i've always wanted to be a girl, that's why i put up with Di tormenting me, i want to be like her, with her, do the things she does. I can get work to pay for my things, like she does, and i won't be no trouble and Di says she'd help me and that". "What, encouraging you to drink and smoke, go to pubs to meet lads is her idea of helping you?". "Aw, come on mum, it wasn't really quite like that, he looked so good, he just had to out and feel the buzz. Anyway, i looked after him,and he didn't come to any harm. Besides, lots of fifteen yearolds drink and smoke a little, and not all of them turn out bad. I've been doing it for about two years, yea, you hadn't noticed, but i behave properly, and have given you no trouble". "No, i didn't know, and i'm quite horrified that you've been doing these things, and, i suppose the other too". "Let's not go there now, can Bobbie remain living as a girl, and if so, how are we going to go about it?". "I suppose the answer is yes, hey, calm down you two, things need sorting out. Bobbie will have to finish this term as a boy, no make-up, no nail varnish, no jewellry,hair pulled back in a pony-tail, and no girls clothes whatsoever, understand? (nods), totally male to, in, and from school. I shall have to find out what can be done for next term. Am i to take it that despite your good grades, you don't want to stay on for A levels and possibly college, I think missing that would be a shame. I think we had better make an appointment with our doctors too, there must be someone we'll have to see". "It's not that i don't want to go to college, but i want to be a girl, a proper girl, and i don't think i would be allowed. I'm sorry mum, but i don't want to be a boy, or man. I would rather take a mundane job as a woman, than have a career as aman. I know this doesn't make much sense to you, but i've felt this way for years, but couldn't try to tell you. Last night i put on a show of reluctance for Di, but was so thrilled that i was getting a chance to be who i really wanted to be, see myself as i should be. Now that i've been there, there's no way back, it's not a dream anymore, it will happen, if not now, in a couple of painful years. I,m really sorry, mum, you've lost your son, but it's already happened. Don't blame Diana, O.K. we were naughty, but it's better out, and she really did look after me". A deeply moved Julie could feel tears welling up in her eyes, to hide it, she told the girls to go prepare tea, while she went off to think things through.

Nice to see the guys helping with housework and getting natural exercise.

possibly due to being overweight, I have gone up half a size this year, and i'm 54!

hello hotheels1969, I do hope your stumble was not due to too many tinnies, or the hieght of your heels. I'll say sorry now, poor attempt at brit humour. There are a few from aus. visit here, maybe you will get to correspond or better, meet them. The u.s.a. and u.k. don't have world domination in heel wearing. Love to hear some tales from around the world, so post again, soon.

I live in an average small town of perhaps 5/10,000 folk. Somewhere between 15/20% are openly gay/ lesbian. I wonder if we need obvious gender indicators, such as shoes or dresses to distinquish between male and female. As i understand it, some tribal cultures wear basically identical clothing and manage perfectly well. Labels of anykind seem to cause friction between groups, with gender labels, the results can be quite hurtful.

Ok Jeff. I feel like the mule that the mule driver just hit in the head by with a 2 by 4. You have my attention.

When I have been going out I never thought I looked bad, I just hadn’t put extra effort into looking good. This “looking good” is something new for me. When I dress for work, I have several pair of slacks and a bunch of shirts that all work (more or less) with one another, I really don’t pay that much attention. Work just isn’t a place I dress for. A suit and tie and not part of my wardrobe any more (except for one suit, that has a matching skirt).

I have always passed my own test of liking what I see in a full length mirror before I go out, but it looks like I have to train my eye to be more discriminative.

An aside: People often tell me they can’t draw. That really is an incorrect statement. Few people do not have the hand coordination to be able to make a pencil mark on a page. The skill of drawing is seeing what you want to draw. You have to be able to see the difference between a light and dark shadow and where something is highlighted. Once you can see those values it is easy to put them on paper. Drawing is 90% seeing and 10% manual dexterity.

Looks like I have to start paying attention to what clothing “looks good”.

Another aside: There are as many forms of drawing/painting as there are artist but you can generalize the style. For example: modern, renaissance, landscape, portrait, realistic, impressionism,… I happen to really like the Dutch Masters but others think their too stiff. Some really like modern art but I won’t even bother to go into the gallery.

I’ll have to get a working definition of “looks good”. I suspect I shouldn’t trust my eye at this point, rather, I should take your suggestion about fashion magazines and paying attention to what females around me are wearing. That is going to be tough because what “looks good” to me may not be all that great (or appropriate). For example, I thought the leather skirt and the thigh boots really looked good but a lot of what I have been reading says it may not be “appropriate”.

Is there a subtle difference in what clothes “look good on me” and what “I look good” wearing”? Should I wear something that “looks good”, even if I don’t like the look on me? Or, should the “look I like” have more influence? All of a sudden what I like or what I think looks good gets back into the equation and I’m back where I stated. I’m back to the question of why I like to wear thigh boots in public in the first place.

This was a lot easier when I was just an eccentric IT geek that just likes to wear thigh boots.

I would like to say that I agree with jeff re: co-ordinate, but can see your point on personal look and likes.

The question would seem, do you want/ are happy to be seen as an eccentric man?

There is no wrong answer, but wearing co-ordinated clothes, suited to a person of your build and agegroup. should make you stand out less. You have said in the past that this is not an issue, and most members here support one's right to wear what pleases them. Each of us will make a personal decision, and therefore are prepared to accept that adverse reaction is a strong possibility. Is blending in, use of make-up, falsies or other to look more female, actually a cop out from our desire to be ourselves?

I know a few couples where wife is taller, even without heels. They don't seem to have a problem with it. Perhaps we are the wrong people to ask, as to us, it is a good excuse for us to wear our heels too.