Susan (the original)

No Hoverfly, Janise is neither an animal or a brick wall. She is a human being with a well mind very capable of realizing fully what happed to her. I believe I understand what you were trying to say and that's fine, but it's not that simple. And yes, time is cheap and it's worth every bit of it to help people. Bubba, I met Janise through the internet on Jenny's site. The process was already in motion in her research surrounding these bahavior patterns. As I understand it, it was one of those - someone told some one who told someone - and she found Jenny's site. At that time my e-mail address was common knowledge in random places on the forum so she contacted me. After Tom's death I made time and took the opportunity to meet her in person. One thing led to another and this is where we are today. I believe somewhere in the pages of these forums she had an exchange with a gentleman named Charlie. I know from some comments she has made to me that her impression was one of care. To her situation he was unabusive, unintrusive, unauthoritative, polite, and patient, willing to listen to her and she listened to him. In a recent conversation with Firefox I mentioned there are very few "ambassadors" in the male high heel wearing group and I'm not just talking about a situation like Janise's. Also Bubba, to the race thing, I don't understand it either. You'll have to ask the high heel wearing man who made the comparison between women's values and racist's. I'm not trying to be smart or rude, it's just a fact and another one of the attitudes that will be taken from the internet substantiating the hate. Laurie, your thoughts mirror mine almost exactly. We are at opposite ends fo the age group and many of the basic feminine values are still the same. My thirty years in heels is taking a change and yours is just beginning. I wish you the best. Susan

In one of the earlier posts made to this topic several months ago "I" was characterised as having the principles of a "racist". No one had any problem with the use of that word than. I'll listen to an explanation as to why not. I can only guess at the inference Janise was making but since the word had only been used once before (by a man) a bit of sense might suggest she was trying to defend herself again. No one here knows what the man who beat her did to her or what she has suffered since. I've been involved with her medical and legal necessities and have known her for approximantely two years. Having not been able to reach her for the past few days I'm going to take a liberty which might be unfair. When Janise caught the x-boyfriend in her apartment wearing the high heels he told her he wanted her to have sex with him while he was wearing the shoes. He wanted her to make love to his "feminine side". In this country when a woman affectively says "no" that's exactly what she means. From that point on the unconsenting sex is called rape. She fought him until she got out a scream heard by the neighbors but is cost her dearly. While she was pinned to the floor his right hand battered her face. Proving attempted rape in court is hopeless. To add insult to injury the guy used his obsession for high heels as part of his defense. The court inpart agreed with him. The reconstructive surgeries have been completed for some time now but her eye will be disfigured for life. I wonder how many of you would find her attractive. This "open minded", "closed minded" business thoughout the conversations is a lot of crap. (pardon my language) There isn't a person here who has even been slightly "open minded" to what that girl has been through. Just throw her away and insist no high heel wearing guy would do such a thing. For Driver8 and anyone else who still don't get it, be patient, you might get to see it in a television documentary on violence. As a reminder, I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's understood not all the guys with a high heel fasination fall into the same catagory. I've met some very nice gentlemen here and at Jenny's, they wear heels, I'm glad to make their acquaintance and after four years still exchange conversations. At the same time there is the element of hate and contempt present by others. In fact the forums invite it.

This is a no win situation. Personally I applaud the moderaters for trying to keep the board to the higher standards it was intended for. However I have to agree with Hoverfly in that new interested persons will be pushed away by the "forced" registration, particularly the women. In some recent efforts to correct computer problems in my participation as a registered user I was surprised to learn the amount of information stored about me and my computer. That's just a part of using the internet I suppose. I'm not much to joining clubs or such things. To the best interest of the site and its participants I respect the decisions of the owner and moderaters. Unless the glitch that still prevents my posting as a registered user on the other topic lists can be corrected, my participation affectively has ended. Firefox and Jeff have worked at it but we can't find the problem. Best wishes to everyone Susan

Hello Stellah - I completely agree with you. In re-reading my post, one of my comments was poorly phrased. When I said "I don't want....", I meant I don't particularly want those things to be the "result" of how other's respond to my dress and manner. If someone finds a sense of pleasant appeal, or admiration, in how I present myself, that's fine and I surely appreciate it. Actually it's quite satisfying but only in the proper context. Again, using myself as an example, a "one time" visual observaion of me by an admirer is limited. For all he or she knows as soon as I get home I'll kick off my heels, change to what is known as "comfortable" clothes and put on a pair of athletic shoes. They would very well probably expect me to do just that. My character or personality to some extent would be established in their mind based on that premise. Obviously time is an essential part of even a casual observation of someone's personality. Again, as an example, all three of my children have gone to the same high school. Every football game, baseball game, concert, every school function I've attented I presented myself in the same manner, appropriate but nice clothes and always the heels. The point I'm making is those people have a much more profound impression and even expection of my personality based on how I present myself. Not only that but from continued acquaintance they "know" me. :-) Susan

It's a shame to let this topic die with so many well thought out, real to life, and understanding posts by the contributors. We can all "look" at the same thing and "see" something different in other's and how we ourselves are perceived. I can only use myself as an example. (I get in trouble everytime I do this, but so be it) I'm a little woman (a blink less than 5') and I don't have some of the physical traits which are often considered attractively feminine, long legs, long neck, etc. I will say I'm reasonably well portioned for my height. Now, I'm going to move directly from that to the "perceived" or "observed" personality issue. In my posts I often speak of narrow knee length skirts with no walking slit and fitted well styled blouses. There is a reason, and it's my size. Loose, pleated, or un-defined clothes make my short frame appear shorter and "broader". ;-( Take the example of a walking slit in a narrow knee length skirt. For me there isn't much skirt to start with so a slit of any signifigance would be long enough to go to "there", if you know what I mean. A skirt with a slit to "there" is "not" the personality I want to portray. My skirts have no walking slit and depending on how they're cut, my small size makes the hem incredibly narrow. The skirt allows little movement of my upper legs which requires an acquired manner of walk, motion, and limitations I pleasantly accept. Two totally different perceptions, each with a totally different reflection of a personality. I believe it was Tony who asked how I thought my hair style reflected my personality. First, I'm not happy with some of my facial features but I'm told, and I believe, I have attractive eyes. My hair style brings the attention to my eyes. Secondly, the style and the care of my hair gives it a lot of life, bounce and swing. My hair-dresser calls it perky. With my every movement, a smile, "perky" hair style teasing my accented eyes, is in part I hope a reflection of my personality. The same is true for the "manner" I speak of in the very high heels. In that manner, during any movement of my body, both heel tips will never touch the floor at the same time. The effect, is an emphasis of my silhouette balanced and pivotal in motion on the end of my vertical feet, accented by the style of my shoes. Again, it is my hope to be seen as a woman pleasantly content, carefree with distinction and achieved polish. A woman with a love of life attitude, a reflection of my personality. The comments of Phoenix, Stu, Darkstar, and honestly everyone else were surely refreshing and each added something possitive to the topic. I'm well aware my encounters on the forums have made a bit of an impression of my personality. (As long as we're talking personalities.) :-) That's OK, just as long as each word was read as it was written and heard in a soft voice. Just as I or anyone else cannot control how someone perceives what they see, we can't control how what is said is perceived either. We all have our likes, dislikes, preferences, and so forth. That will never change. Personally, I don't want to be admired, I don't want to be called sexy, I don't want to be approached "because" of my heels or the way I'm dressed. I want to be FRIENDS, meet new people and become new FRIENDS because I'm "me". Susan

There isn't just one particular style that I would consider a real favorite. My life style is too varied with a host of different situations, occasions, or events requiring a variety of styles to be even reasonably appropriate. The formed or locked position of my size 5 feet and ankles, and the ever shortening muscles in the calves of my legs make it impossible to lower my feet more than a little less than straight up. I wear heels absolutely all the time. My preferances: A very high spiked heel with my instep arched forward and most any style or number of straps. I am particial to ankle straps. The heel cup should be properly shaped to compliment the ankle, throat of the shoe cut high on the side, and the toe very short and very pointed toe. A high stacked slightly thicker heel complimenting a wine colored shoe of nicely cut and tooled leather, a T-strap to hi-light the instep, and bring emphasis to the very short semi-pointed toe. This shoe is appropriate for a semi dressy or casual occasion. Actually this shoe with combination leathers is more of a dressy nature. There is on one style of platform I like. It's a one piece molded base with a well blended full shoe on a 2" platform and 6" heel. They're quite uncomfortable at first because of the necessary stretching of my calves to the lower 4" rise. The platform is not blocky or clunky but rather sculptured and tappered to a short, narrow, rounded, and rockered sole. This is essential for the combined motion of the foot and shoe to be pivotal on the sole of the platform in a manner of etiquette and fluid movement. The tall heel is thin but not necessarily a stiletto. Again, an aray of straps is also nice. This shoe in any of the basic colors in calf or patent leather has a nice casual flair. No sandals of any style. This has been a personal rule for nearly 30 years and now that I'm no longer a young woman I appreciate it. Sandals offer no support to the structure of the foot and because of my dedicated life style I wanted that support to shape and hold my feet. It's just a personal choice, nothing more, nothing less. I do wear nicely shaped platform clogs with substancial straps for lawn or pool parties, boating, and such. This afternoon I'll be at the high school for my son's soccer game. A bit thicker 4 1/2" stacked heel on a peny loafer style shoe with a short round toe almost covered by the rolled tassels on the high throat. Susan

Hello Stu - I've never had a job so my experience in an office environment with any regularity is rather non-existent. Dinner engagements and other social events associated with my husbands work were commonplace and most often with many of the same people, usually husbands and wives. As well might be expected the manner and style of dress varied, yet stylish with a bit of class. The heels are the point of interest in these conversations but as already noted my many contributors there's mush more. One of the things that hasn't been mentioned and is very important to me is the appearance of my hands. Long sculptured naturally shaped nails, soft unblemished skin, and appropriate jewelry (rings) and always a stylish braclet will accent the hands. I can safely say in recent years I've spent a lot more money on my hands and hair than I have on high heels. Personality has been mentioned and surely, without question, individual to individual it will shine through. Visual observation is most often the first impression we get of someone. Personally, I believe the way we present ourselves to the eye of others to some degree reflects our personality. Obviously to what extent will vary from person to person. Example, my hair is styled with very long thick bangs which nearly cover my eys and close around my face in a bob or page style with the sides longer in front and softly curled under my chin. If I move my head in a way that my hair falls over my eyes you won't see me pushing it aside. I'll see the world through my hair until it moves back to it's styled shape as I move my head. It's just me. I believe it's Laurieheels who has mentioned it and I'm much the same, I get a lot more comments about my hair then I do about my heels. The manner in which I move and walk in the very high heels is incredibly important to me as it is a reflection of myself. The motion of my silhouette must be a balance on the smallest of pedistals, my vertical feet. That's what I studied, that's what I strived for, that's me. The list of subtle things with style and class is endless. A narrow knee length skirt with a wide belt buckled in back, a gold chain ankle braclet with a second attached chain that wraps under the shoe in front of the high heel, a wide cuff braclet with a "matching" wide ring on the same hand, a nicely fitted blouse with a bold collar, ......... Most importantly, the expression on ones face. Susan

My situation is a bit different. The heels at home or anywhere else is just part of a lifestyle, the same as styling my hair each day or putting on jewelry. It isn't just the long time permanent arc of my feet and ankles (size 5 US) that necesitates my always wearing heels but rather my personal inspiration. Even my home has been arranged in some ways to accommodate some activities such as the installation of a central vacuuming system so I don't have to carry a heavy vacuum cleaner up and down the stairs. Certainly I enjoy the finer sensual aspects of the heels as well but a pair of nice 4 1/2" heels with a slightly thicker heel, simple instep strap, and short round toe has a daily casual flair that goes well with many casual clothes. Susan

Hello Jeff - Thank you for the response. I've tried this a couple ways and all I've gotten is a message "user name already taken". We'll see if it works this time. Anyway, I thank you again. Susan

Well, here we go again! Now let "me" set the record straight. Virtually every thing Arno laid before you in the above post is catagorically incorrect, even the name. For those of you who insist the abuse doesn't exist here is living proof once again. For over three years this individual has made personal attack after personal attack on me using countless untruths in doing so. He can have his opinion, that I really don't care about, but what he provides as fact about me is grossly inaccurate. In my 5-26 post I made no comment remotely indicating the 50% divorce rate was the fault of men wearing high heels. My comments were strictly my response to previous comments in other posts surrounding the choice of a mate, period. "There is only one case both you and I know of, where Carolyne caught.........". Her name is actually Janise and even though Arno isn't aware of them, the unfortunate event Janise experienced is not an isolated case. As I mentioned in another post on another topic she is to testify before a hearing and has done her research. Anyone who still has a copy of my story can easily verify the references Arno made to it are "false" with one possible exception. My husband did make for me a couple pair of shoes for training purposes that were originally wooden or plastic clogs. He never modified any of my other shoes. Everything else Arno said about it is untrue. My election or decision to the lifestyle in high heels was purely and soley mine, my husband had nothing to do with it. That was made "very clear" at the beginning of my story. Prior to making that decision I "did" wear heels frequently, they just weren't very high. That was also made very clear in my story. The conditioning and training effort I embarked on was under the direction of professionals to achieve a degree of manner and ability to "my" satisfaction. My dedication was something I dearly shared with my husband. It was the continuing slander and misrepresentations on these forums that prompted the deletion of my story from Jenny's site. "I wish you would not shroud it in that phony talk about "dedication" that is so transparently disingenuous." Thank you Arno! This is a vivid representation of some mens inability to perceive the mind set or value set of a woman. Your insistance that a "man", my husband, forced me through intimidation, into submission re-enforces many of the comments I've made throughout this topic and is in conflict with what so many others here claim. It's also noteable you find a "girl in her twenties" to be so foolish. The "once again" character assassination of my husband can only be seen as contemptuous and hateful. The last time this happened (on the other forum) it was near the aniversary of his death. Because it was so hurtful I asked that the comments be stricken and subsequently through Arno's request nearly the entire thread was deleted. There is an interesting side note to this. Prior to any deletions to that thread a friend came to my defense, his defense of me was deleted by one of the moderators and he was told not to defend me again at that time. Once again I've had to make a rediculous attempt to defend myself and set the record straight surrounding my "personal life". Again, someone's opinion of me is up to them, I don't care. Attacks on my person and insinuations or comments about my children and family don't fall under the heading of "opinion". I thought that wasn't acceptable on these forums. Anyway, it's already said and done. Now the readers and some other concerned people will be able to judge for themselves. And to think what I said in the beginning was, "do as you like it's OK with me, just don't force in upon me". The topic of this thread is "what do women think about men wearing high heels"?

For Hoverfly - In a sincere effort to bring some calm to this I ask that you, and everyone else, re-read my original post on 5-26 hearing "all" of the words with the meaning as they are written from a little woman's soft voice. What I wrote is true and honest. Please don't interpret this request as any kind of a challenge but only a gesture to satisfy a small request. As has been mentioned many times only the words are displayed on the screen with no audible knowledge of the persons tone of voice. The meanings change drastically. When I made the post I had no intention it would prompt the results it did. Unfortunately, as I already stated, it didn't come as a surprise. To Anonymous - Nearly everyone who responded to my posts twisted, altered, and edited "everything" I said to fit some agenda. My request of you is the same as your's of me, PLEASE DON'T DO THAT. OK? On a solemn and more serious note in the context of "you're going to have to deal with it and accept it" works both ways. The associated violence on women is real, does, and has happened. We'll let it end there if you like. When it's all said and done the readers of these forums can and will draw their own impressions. We can all only hope the words which are written are intrepreted as intented. Stilettos - You said a whole lot with just a few words that are likely very correct. Susan

"one way or another you are going to have to deal with it an accept the facts as they are", one of the many comments made throughout this thread which carries the real message. I'll learn to like it or someone will make me wish I did. Now in the world of reality, only in a situation where I were "forced" (assaulted) would I have to "deal" with it and "accepting" it is not likely. On a more reasonable note, Firefox you're right on both counts. We'll agree to disagree, how and keep the convictions we carry, grin and bear it as best we can. Any exchange during a chance meeting might be short but there is no reasonable cause it shouldn't be civil. Hoverfly I don't believed anything backfired and many of the responses we received were anticipated. Interestingly it's what "wasn't said" in the posts and the one sided "prejudices" that shed most of the light. At least you tried to meet in the middle with some explanation which is appreciated. After all the up-roar referred to as discussion nothing has been changed. Yes Laurieheels, I took a breath and I'm laughing at it. Susan

Obviously no one paid ANY attention to the "text" of what I had written. (Talk about closed mindedness)!!!! Realities and truths are something that are avoided at all costs here. There are two issues, separate in thought, but connected by the same thread. My opinion of men wearing high heels is as it is. Like I said, if everyone else is entitled to an opinion so am I and no one's is of any more importance. Additionally in all the chatter no one, except possibly Firefox, remotely touched on the basis of my convictions. Next, what part of "from what I have experienced and witnessed" is so hard to understand? Absolutely everyone took the words I wrote, edited and twisted them to satisfy their own agenda, and no one touched on the correct meaning. Through that most of the replies here have only served to re-enforce my beliefs. Ok, you want me to be "open minded"! Here's the scenario. You notice me with friends in a restaurant. I'm dressed in a nice skirt, blouse, hair styled, and the very high heels. After dinner I leave my friends and walk to my car. It's a well lit reasonably occupied area. You're wearing your high heels and manner of dress of your preference and decide to approach me. (Remember you don't know who I am) Now, you tell me what's going to happen. Susan

When I first started participation on the forums after becoming aquainted with Jenny's site it didn't take long for me to realize I had stepped into an environment that was unfamiliar and which I was unprepared for. Unfortunately I had already placed a summary of my lifestyle and full time endeavor wearing the very high heels in Jenny's story section. Sharing in that my personal reasons, my feelings and emotions, the conditioning, study, and training to accomplish my devotion to an aquired "manner", and most importantly my family. It was indeed "my story". I was under the impression I had found a host of people with similar interests with whom to share. Little did I know what I had gotten into. The original question or topic of this thread opens a vast array of thoughts. My husband and I traveled extensively, as I still do. Never had I encountered men wearing high heels in the circle of people and activities we were associated with. My only experience with men wearing high heels has been a bit over three years on these forums. That experience has been bitter-sweet at best and incredibly nasty at the worst. I've never made any excuses for my opinion on men wearing high heels. It's incredibly unmanly and there's nothing attractive about it. That's just my opinion and it's of no value to anyone except me, that's a given. I've been told on these forums I'm disgusting, that's their opinion, so I can have one also. My position from the beginning has been, do as you like it's OK with me, just don't force it upon me. I'll challenge anyone to show where I have be-littled, name called, harrassed, or anything of the sort (except to defend myself) the fella's and their high heels in those three years. For me and some others, women, what was levied out to me from many of these fella's has been a cruel lesson. From being told my children should have died at birth to the character assassination of my husband (after his death), with a long list of hate and contempt thrown at me in-between, I'm constantly told I'm "too sensitive" and I shouldn't be "offended". No one's ever answered the question of "why" I shouldn't be offended. There is much discussion about personalities and character surrounding women who don't cotton to men wearing high heels but no one will touch this. At the early part of this thread two ladies responded. One gave the "correct" answer, the other had to defend her self. Further into the thread the discussion turns to the acceptance of an unacceptable trait of one's mate. To each their own but no wonder the divorce rate is 50%. Why choose a mate with a trait which is unacceptable? In the realm of "logic", that's completely "illogical". I believe it was Azraelle who shared his thoughts about "Signifcant Others" and the precious commodity that is. You have my profound respect and I dearly wish you the best in finding another "Significant Other". I lost mine to cancer and I can't imagine there being another. As I said at the on-set, my experience with men wearing high heels is limited to the internet and these forums as we know them. It would be terribly unfair for me to suggest "all" of the gentlemen have treated us poorly. The actions take president over words and a few gentlemen have demonstrated an exceptional respect that cannot be denied. I thank you. "What do women think about men in high heels"? In the end from most of what I have experienced and witnessed, if I encountered a man wearing high heels and he were to approach me, the experience would likely be very uncomfortable. Susan

Hello Ben - I believe you have missed my point. While the information in the early text of this topic isn't all inaccurate it is a long way from complete and correct. Your opinions, preferences, likes, dislikes are yours, I have no wish to alter that. If you don't like pointed toe shoes for whatever reason, that's certainly OK with me. My only contention was the limited views given. For lack of a better explanation I might ask that you re-read my two previous posts on this topic. Obviously you weren't talking directly to me in your post but I do fit the criteria, I'm a woman who wears the very short very pointed toe high heels. From the comments "you" made, if you were to see me wearing my heels you would immediately assume my feet have been destroyed and my toes are disfigured. That is in reality a very false assumption which can't be made in all cases with all women. Susan

Hair, jewelry, and nails in no particular order. To me the appearance of my hair and hands is more important than my feet or shoes. Conversations during a luncheon or something of the sort are much more likely to touch on these three rather than shoes. Susan If this comes up anonymous, I was forced to it. There is no option for a password.

That was me. I don't know why it came up "Anonymous".

Hello Laurieheels - Thank you for the kind response and I agree with you on most of the things. My taking exception to your comment about the sandals wasn't adversarial. I placed a smiley face with it hoping to emphasize that. You like sandals, I don't, no problem there. Contrary to much that has been said about me I have no problem with difference of opinion as long as that's what it is, an opinion about an "option" or personal "preference". When I say my feet and ankles are stuck in a nearly vertical high heel position including my toes remaining bent, that's a "fact" not an opinion so there's no opening for opinion on that "fact". It is what it is. Now, if someone has an opinion, such as Firefox, that what's happened to my feet is not wise, or not necessary, or unreasonable, that's OK with me and I do respect him and his right to his opinion. He can't though, have an opinion about the factual state of my feet, he hasn't seen them, my motion, or anything else so he just doesn't know. I also do believe he would never understand the depth of emotion and personal value my situation holds for me. It's that lack of understanding that tarnishes any opinion, but honestly that's OK too. I hope I'm making myself clear here, all I'm trying to do is explain through example the realities of the process here It's not meant to jump on Firefox, he's not guilty. I went completely back through this topic which is about women, pointed toe shoes (small or tight), disfigured women's feet, and the removal of toes. Descriptions, seemingly agreeable to everyone, covering all four issues included brainless, moron, stupid, disgusting (the assumed destruction caused by a small short pointed toe shoe), and a few others that don't come to mind right now. Absolutely no where throughout the text of the topic does anyone offer a positive comment about these women or approval of or suggestion of an alternative possibility associated with the short pointed toe style. I stepped in, disagreed, expressed an alternative "opinion", personal experience of fact, and look what happened. To add insult to injury I'm told what I read isn't there. The above certainly supports my comment about treatment of women on these boards. If I'm wrong I'm open for someone to show me, don't just tell me, please show me. If the descriptions brainless, moron, stupid, and disgusting were used in a discussion about men wearing high heels it would cause an international crisis. I'm not being facetious, the furor here would be catistrophic and the descriptions deleted for being inflamatory. Back to the shoes! Think about it, with the popularity of sharply pointed toe high heels, sharply pointed toe dress flats, and even pointed toe gym shoes during the late 50's and early 60's, had they caused all that assumed horrible damage to women's feet we would have an entire generation of cripled women, and that just isn't the case. Certainly a negligible percentage of women probably did some foolish things, certainly ill fitting and poorly made shoes can cause significant problems. But to condemn an entire class of women who have a unique manner or preferred style in the very short pointed toe high heel is, well!! This is why I was frustrated with the elimination of the "GAL'S" section as it was intended. Discussions deeply feminine to some of us are likely to become riddled to the point of becoming meaningless which in the end makes even trying useless, but oooh welll. I dearly hope this helps explain my reaction and interpretation of what I read in the text of this topic. I made the effort because I care, I want to be understood, and I do believe the welcome mat is out for everyone. Brad, you're correct, the total lifestyle I enjoy is vastly different than what I see here. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just different. Laurieheels, Charlie, Inga, Firefox, thank you for the thoughts. Susan

I have to disagree with you Laurieheels , I refuse to wear sandals of any sort, I am very image conscious, and yes Firefox I do wear pumps (29 years now) and my feet and toes are quite up to it. This topic of toes being cut off and pointed toe shoes is, I believe, terribly misguided. During my research nearly 30 years ago I found documentation indicating the efforts of women during the late 50's and early 60's wanting their small toes removed. Certainly I don't condone such a thing but to call these women morons, sick, or anything else is in line with the general disrespect toward women on these forums. Today, there isn't any part of the human body that isn't surgically altered to satisfy someone's personal whim, most all of it to enhance their image, both men and women. I wear very short very pointed toe, very high heels frequently, complimenting my life style dedicated to wearing only high heeled shoes. For me and a great many other women of my persuasion a deep personal emotion, feminine and sacred by nature, holds true. That emotion becomes a reflection of me, as I was created, enhanced through deliberate devotion. My feet are small, size 5 (US), and my toes are very short. It's no news to most reading this forum my feet and ankles are stuck in a near vertical position and my toes remain sharply bent. My toes are "slightly" angled inward, honestly the result of the shoes. They are however not disfigured, no bunions, no hammer toes, or anything else. Even in semi-pointed and round toe shoes I select toe styles as short as possible. Since I don't use my toes they remain relaxed in the style I select. Some months ago I did a post about pointed toe heels. I received more e-mails about that one than anyother I had ever posted. I've taken excellent care of my feet and at the ripe old age of 52 they still serve me quite well shaped as they are. Ben, it's unfortunate you and others here have the poor perception of women like me. Personally if I see a woman cripled with disfigured feet, we don't know what caused it, a little compassion is in order, not disgust. Susan

That's fine Firefox and on the surface I agree with you. May I refer you to my post of 2-2-02 titled "Policy change" and your response. This now is a complete contradition of explannations of your own policies. In addition to basic respect there is a principal to be considered. Either the guide lines are worthy of following or they aren't. If not, the guide lines on offense and abuse will become skewed as well. I'm an expert at seeing it coming. You asked for some thoughts on the subject and Highluc wanted to see more ideas from the girls. I filled the requests. Susan

With my absense of the past four months I feel a bit like an out-sider even after three years of participation. After some of the experiences I've had on the forum the "only" reason I considered trying again was because of the refuge or preserve of the "GALS" section. Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying, the guys are very welcome to respond to anything I were to offer in the "GALS" section. If that wasn't possible there wouldn't be any discussion and I've enjoyed some incredibly nice discussions with the guys. The alienatiing comes about most commonly due to gender driven interpretaion. In the over three years I'm not aware of one guy who has remotely understood the mind-set I've portrayed and I've never wavered from that mind-set. I'm speaking of why and how I came to the decisions, dedication, and life style I hold so dear. As soon as the guys start "comparing" themselves and "telling" me who I am, than I or any other women is nothing more than a target, at least that's the way it comes across. Honestly now, on a post of the sort "What's the style of the day" in the GALS section why is it necessary for a group of guys to describe themselves. True, it doesn't hurt anything but where is the basic respect for others. It all comes down to a little common desency. If the author of the topic wanted everyones input to that question it's safe to assume it would have been put on the "EVERYONE" board. If I'm being unreasonable here, someone please tell me. From what I've read of the other posts on this topic I don't believe what I've said is all that different. The GALS section should be just that, the GALS section with an open door and welcome for the guys to join in, without targeting. What is intended and what is perceived is all too often different things. Susan

Hello everyone and thank you. When I found my post was gone from the "gals" section it was only by chance I found it here. This new forum is still new to me and I don't know how it all works. Yes, the pictures attached to the names on the posts are, in a word, ugly and competition is not one of my strong suits so I'll be stuck with this one for a long time. I've been made aware my name keeps coming up in discussions. The woman I am and the deep "feminine" consciousness I was created with and hold dear in traditional values will never deminish. Again, I thank you for the welcomes and look forward to another chance to share a few of lifes rewards attached to my life style in high heels. Susan

Might have guessed, that one worked.

OK, I've registered, typed 2 lengthy posts and both failed to be posted. What's wrong?? Susan <font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Firefox on 2002-03-31 13:32 ]</font>