fastfreddy2

How about just letting this go, FF. It's never going to end and I'm sure you would agree with me that this forum isn't the proper place to vent our disagreement and disdain for each other. So, as far as I'm concerned. It's finished.

It WAS finished by PM.

You kicked this up, as usual.

I suppose you think me telling the Mods I tried to resolve it unsuccessfully was me 'bickering'. (So paranoid.)

Try stopping baiting me? It would make EVERYone here very happy.

Besides I've been told in no uncertain language that I am a "thug."

Absolutely.

(By the way, the one encouragement that I forgot to state in my earlier posting is that should the "father" ever give you grief to your face, I would, if I were you, "dope-slap" the holy shit out of him -- after which (while he was picking himself up off of the ground) I would tell him never to open his mouth about you again.))

Right after you told me I was a shit-sphere and no amount of explanation from me was going to change that. With your parting remark to my long PM trying to convince you of my sincerity here being; "get lost" since I'm just "dead-space" to you.

So much for the sanctity of PM's.

And I suppose I started this one too Bubba? As I've asked you a couple of times now, if you don't like me, just put me on your ignore list.

It would suit us both.

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Sorry, I was referring to Freddie and Bubba, never mind.

That's a rift that'll never heal.

I've tried twice now, but I've been assured it ain't gonna happen.

Perhaps when I've been here a bit longer and accrued a bit more status, I'll irritate less. Sometimes I speak too plainly, perhaps not plainly enough. Certainly I feel constrained when responding to personal 'digs', and maybe at the moment that's no bad thing.

Anyway, I'm trying to fit in.

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Sounds like a promising place for a future HeelMeet. Hint-Hint

It's fairly central for those in the South, and anyone in the Home Counties. Being in business as a 'one-man-band', I don't get to go to the "Office Christmas Party".

Would there be enough interest for a HHp Christmas dinner at this place? Maybe immediately after Christmas? A get together, with some pre-dinner Sales shopping?

Pre-booked (and organised around men wearing heels) and quite likely pre-paid to get the cost benefit of an organised meal for a fixed number. [ie. 3 courses with glass of wine for <say> £25?]

Fancy dress, optional.

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Funny how its always the guys that do this....

The girls have far more "Self control" and dont need and mod's to step in.

Funny?

The males in most mammal species fight between themselves. It's completely natural. Disagreeable, but completely natural.

As is the females of the species not fighting.

Good googly moogly, FF. You are really one messed up personality. So much so, I'd bet 3 to 5 your left foot is facing backwards.

Like I say, "try to grasp the notion it may not be daytime".

Be as rude and abusive as you like. You're a bully, and frankly, they stopped irritating me some 25 years ago. My 5 year old grandson has better reasoning skills than you demonstrate here.

It's 3.40am in the UK, so I have to leave. Doubtless to find some of your pseudo-intellectual barbed comments left for me on the morrow.

Big man Bubba. Big man.

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When I can buy Men sized 'kneehighs' or ankle length hose at a Gentlemen's Outfitters, <i.e. something made for the male buying market>, I'll stop considering myself a crossdresser.

It's about as simple a notion as one can get. If I'm not white, I must be some other colour.

[if ANYONE in my social circle found me wearing hose, they'd draw one conclusion. That I'm gay/homosexual. None of them would or could consider this form of attire "manly".

When the rest of the world says it's dark, and you can't see, grasp the notion it may not be daytime! ]

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if a person feels threatened by it,they will turn on you. you have to get to why they feel threatened,and then try to allay their fears,if possible.

if not,then you need to retreat a bit and wait and see...

Great insight. I wonder how useful the advice is?

Hmm, I suppose I was obtuse when taking the poll, Freddy. I'm not sure why you are taking such an interest in how we all classify ourselves as I have seen several recent posts from you in a similar manner. Maybe you just want us to be more honest with ourselves? *shrug*

I guess I originally thought the two choices were too limiting, I chose "man in heels" because in my mind I identified closer to that, and felt "other" was more for regular CD's. But, as you stated, Johnie is asking are you a guy in heels or do you do anything more than that. So for that matter this would include at least 80% of the guys in this forum to be honest.

Keeping further debate to a minimum ('cos I'm a sorta yes or no kind of fella) ....

The thread starter was looking for an answer to what seemed like a fairly straightforward question to him, and me. Do you wear heels, and just heels alone? It's a black and white question if ever there's been one, yet there doesn't seem to be any resignation to whether individuals are 'heels only' or 'other'.

I maybe need to check the names in the categories, but I'm reasonably sure there's at least one person with his name in the 'heels only' category that has somewhere here, a picture of himself wearing flared/bootcut jeans. Primark has sold boys/mens bootcut style, and I have some, so I might be mistaken about the gender orientation of the style shown.

As for promoting the concept of classification, it's an attempt at getting some here used to the idea they are crossdressers. And that being interested in visual self expression isn't a bad thing. Rather, it's something to be embraced and enjoyed. Especially since it's unlikely to wane.

P.S.

Another thing to add, I felt the poll in this other thread covered the spectrum a bit more clearly (to me anyway), and I notice that in that thread which I had answered several months ago, I answered it more accurately.

This thread starter didn't want to know where you were on the male~female dress-code continuum. You and anyone else reading the thread were asked a simple question, but it would seem you (and others) want to complicate the answer?

And then start a bickering session because it was either "too deep" or "didn't have enough categories for a precise answer"?

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I need to change my answer. I talked to my wife about it last night. I brought up a lot of the points that I've read on this forum, and she is less enthusiastic about me heeling in public than before.

That seems strange. Generally, 'talking through' problems/issues, improves a situation, not exacerbates it?

I have to say, there are many many things I read here (and write) I choose not to share with my wife, because her knowing of my interest (and participating) is enough. I don't need her to be wondering (or worrying) what my next 'brainwave' is going to bring to our lives. (Next pair of boots, next visit somewhere wearing heels? Meeting with other men into heels.)

With no other information other than the discussion going badly, I doubt any of us will be able to propose a Plan B that'll get things at least back to where they were. but trying to read between lines (that are not there), sounds like too much may have been revealed too quickly.

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fastfreddy, it is refreshing when someone can just cut to the chase! I have to plead guilty to the "other!"

As flattering as your comment is, (thank you) I thought I was just stating the obvious?

Our responsibility as public heelers is to present just the right image that says to society that we're not weirdos/freaks/kooks/perverts, and that's something we have to work at each and every time we go out. But if you do have everything down pat, it'll make you public heeling experiences all the more enjoyable and rewarding. Think about it.

I don't have to think, I'm already with you 100%.

Great notion for "best practice". As you rightly say, we are ambassadors for change, and should behave accordingly. A sense of style isn't always available, so for those who feel they struggle, perhaps get a second opinion if possible.

Look good, feel good ~ eh?

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Has the original question changed, or are many here being obtuse?

The question is simply enough. Are you a man that wears heels, or are you a man who wears heels and more?

I've declared criteria in FreddyWorld for determining where you might be in the continum elsewhere, but let me recap:

Man in heels?

The only (generally regarded as) female attire you wear is womans shoes.

This would mean if you wear stockings or tights with your feminine footwear, you are NOT a man who just wears high heels. Simple question then, isn't it?

If you wear womens outer clothes, skirts, (womens cut) flared jeans, stockings, tights (with a skirt) or other outwardly feminising (whoever mellow) and quite likely wear these outside in the real world, you are a crossdresser, or as described here at HHplace as a 'freestyler'.

If you wear womens attire under your regular mans clothing (tights/stockings, panties) for personal pleasure, or wear complete womens outfits with perhaps a padded bra, either publically or privately, you are undoubtedly a TV. 'Completing' activity, wearing wigs, make-up and false (long painted nails) are ultra feminie activities, and are the 'hard-line' indicators normally associated with being a TV. Members of FreddyWorld (that would be me) will tell you that the line is a lot wider and greyer than generally thought.

So a question posed in the section "specifically aimed at men wearing high heels" asking if you ONLY wear womens shoes, rather than heels and something else, the "heels only" option is the one that 'pigeon-holes' you into the group Johnie is trying to identify.

If like me you wear hose (keeps me warm in winter, helps my feet stay in shape during summer), or wear jeans/sweaters/jackets designed for women, you ought to prescribe to the 'other' category. Those spending all their free time in girl mode (she knows who she is) or has an interest in shiny (Patent) high heels, need no assistence determining where their position is either.

Don't vote, if you don't want to. [Perhaps being a bit 'precious'?] But if you are a man who wears heels and no other feminising attire, your choice is completely unambiguous. And by default, if you don't fall into that category, you MUST fall into the other. [Mindful the section heading. ]

Hopefully this has helped some of the 'undecided' contingent.

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I liked the suggestion of a pill to change gender. If I could do it without losing my wife I think I would take take it. Then my love for high heels would be ok with the world.

I'd be interested to know if your wife would stay? If you enjoy the Church and the social activity this provides, I have my doubts two women living as a couple would be welcome amongst mixed couples. Women often see 'other women' as a threat (temptation) especially if they are particularly glamourous. (Potentially wanton strumpets?)

I suspect anyone with more interest than a quick glimpse, maybe hasn't thought this through.....

My crack about "being a woman would mean I'd start chasing men" wasn't that tongue-in-cheek. You can't intellectualise what genger you find attractive. Being a woman, statistical likelihood says 95% or more of you will want a man for a partner.

As much as I love wearing heels, if it meant I was going to have to live with a balding fart machine, I'd stop wearing them yesterday.

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When I first saw the video, my first thought was, "wonder if the director is a member at HHplace?" If they aren't, they should be.

yes, it's not easy. And, being a stingy Scot, I don't want to spend money on something which won't fit.

If you buy mail order in the UK from a trader, provided the item you buy hasn't been ordered by the retailer specially for you, the seller has a legal obligation to offer a refund provided the goods are returned within 7 days.

You will quite likely be caught for carriage, but returns may be taken to a local Next shop? [Cetainly Aldo do this.]

Anyhow, why assume you'll have to return anything?

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We aren't content to have just one pair, because two of them would mean if one got ruined, we could have a duplicate back-up. Then there are those special heels that we can't have enough of, because they look so good and fit so well.

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Then there are those we just saw being worn. They look so awesome and now our life is in need of a pair just like them in our size, or we will die. We track down the wearer and quiz them for all the info we can get, if possible. Then we instantly launch an all out hunt to find them. What! They don't have this heel in my size, but you have it in the one size smaller! Let's try it! Can I order some in my size, anyway? No, but we have a similar heel in the back. Then it's brought out after an eternity (3 minutes) of waiting. Yes, it has a heel and the color and material are like what i wanted, but what happened to the style.

This doesn't have the same features like the one I saw originally. Oh drats! Are you sure you don't have the ones I was asking about in my size? Are there any other stores that carry this shoe? Thanks for your help. And we're off to the next location. This same scenario happened at two other stores, but the fourth location had them. A relieving calm and peace seem to make the day's efforts up until now, inconsequencial as you paid for them and picked up the bag containing the vision you saw bein worn earlier that day.

You've found the desire of your soul that needed to be filled. You are feeling on top of the world, aa you arrive home and you wanted to wear them for the rest of the evening. Then reality sets in that you had other things that need attention and you didn't want your new heels to be subjected to possible damage, at least not on the first time you wear them. So, you put them away in a "special" place.

Yep, that's about it.

I have it labelled as O.C.D.

Fortunately I don't have to turn off the water tap 5 times before I know it's turned off, or close a door 6 times before I'm sure it's closed.....

Well, not yet anyway.

But as my wife keeps say; "You can't have every pair of shoes you like!" (I'm trying though....)

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Congratulations! And good remark about the source of our fears.

I liked both sets of pictures.

The one single thing I didn't like; was the sleeves on the jacket are too short. That may have been a necessity if it is 'cut' for a woman [back will be smaller.] Cuff's hanging out of sleeves possibly with cufflinks, is in my view, a very masculine look.

Otherwise, a very well put together ensemble.

Happy Birthday bud! Looks like you had a great night. Boots look cool, as does the outfit.

I recently found the qupidshoes.com website, the manufacturer's wholesale site. If you look at the 2 packages they offer per style of shoe, you get...

SIZE: Quanity:

5- 0

5.5- 1

6- 1

6.5- 2

7- 2

7.5- 3

8- 3

8.5- 3

9- 2

10- 2

In one package (18 total) and in the other package...

Size: Quanity

5.5- 1

6- 2

6.5- 2

7- 3

7.5- 3

8- 2

8.5- 2

9- 2

10- 1

As you can see in this case, the largest sizes have fewer quantity. Imagine they offer sizes 11-14. The numbers would be very low for those sizes. This explains why they larger sizes sell out faster. They start with far fewer.

This manufacturer only sells in these packages so it isn't possible to order a batch of just 10s.

That's enlightening.

Possibly the retailers are not giving adequate feedback to the manufacturers. Go to Next, or Tesco, and the last shoes on the rail are the size UK4's and UK5's. Go to TK Maxx (the left-over "designer" store), same situation. LOTS of 4's and 5's.

The younger girls in our family take UK7 and UK8. I suspect the day of "petite feet" has passed. Larger people (girls) have grown larger feet, and it would seem the manufacturers haven't caught up?

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Agreed, but you have already told us you googled it, so how can you "recommend" a product you have only seen an image off!

Lee, I didn't recommend it .....

I put the boots on and applied a little where they were a bit tight, now they are a prefect fit. Can't say where she got this stuff from as she doesn't know.

I Googled the recommended product so anyone interested could find it.

It's easy to spend money, be it in the high street or online, I was simply pointing out that it is cheaper to buy these products locally (if you can ) & you will often get the advice on a product that have been tried & tested by the retailer.....

Lee

Agreed about buying from the High Street.

But I'd sooner buy off a recommendation, even if that meant buying off the internet, rather than buying from a local supplier who might stock a product simply because it provides the best margin?

I never throw money away, [though I did lose a £20 note recently] but I'd sooner spend £3 extra getting a working product, than saving that amount on something that didn't work very well. Hence the interest in the recommendation.

Me personally, I'd prefer to pay someone I trusted to do the job for me. Hence the crack about a cobbler. And my suggestion you open up a shop over this way!

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You can't see it, but I'm sitting here having just read your post, (glowing) green with envy. Well done you!

your Repairer is your friend!

Most shoe repairers stock a shoe stretcher in one shape or form, at £4.95 + Postage buying on-line makes it expensive

I look forward to you opening up a shop local to me. I'd happily use the services of a 'proper' cobbler, but I don't know of one in my area. [Hertfordshire.] There are a couple of shoe re-heelers, but I'n unaware of a cobbler around here.

Sooooo.... Buying a recommended product online, is cheaper than the alternative. [Driving to another town <wherever that might be> to buy an unknown product.]

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I brought some western boots this spring which were a little tight for width, my wife had a can of STRETCH made by Collonil, made in Germany. I put the boots on and applied a little where they were a bit tight, now they are a prefect fit. Can't say where she got this stuff from as she doesn't know.

Google is your friend.

https://www.jamesinglis.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CL5505