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If shaving your legs affects the wellbeing of your teenage daughter, they your daughter really has bigger issues of control that need ,to be dealt with as soon as possible. Please understand that I do not mean this disrespectfully, but if a little thing like the amount of hair on your legs affects your daughter, then she is going to have extreme control issues and problems throughout her life. Children need to be taught to accept people that are different whether that difference is skin color, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity or fashion choices. This is probable the most important lesson that you will ever teach your daughter. Allowing your daughter to exercise that type of control over you is detrimental to her wellbeing.

Jamie,

If you don't have kids, you have a lot to learn. If you do, you need to be more sensitive to their needs as well. As I said, once you become a parent, there are many times you have to put yourself second over them.

It isn't the act of shaving that is the issue here. It's sudden change that suddenly looks odd that is at issue. Kids, especially girls notice things.

There is a radio disc-jokey where I live that shaves ALL his hair except for his head. He has done this most of his life and before his kids were born. That is how they know their Daddy. Him having shaved legs is fine because that is what they, their friends, and everyone that knows him has always seen him.

Another example, I am going bald and pre-maturally grey. I have to dye what hair I have left frequently. I was going to shave my head bald a while back, but when my daughters heard me and my wife talking about it, they got massively freaked out. Yeah, I could have said "tough, live with it", but that would have been selfish of me and only reinforced that I put myself over them and never put their feelings above mine. It's a small price to pay to have to dye it so they see Daddy as that familiar, comfortable face.

A last example. My brother-in-law by marriage (he is married to my wife's sister) dresses like a slob. His daughter got to the point of not wanting him to come to her soccer games. When he did show up, she would tell her friends that her dad died and that was her step father. Now, I don't know about you, but I would be devistated if my daughter was so embarrised by my appearance that she would tell her friends that I wasn't her real father.

BCBG knows his daughter best, afterall, he raised her to her teenage years so far. I applaud his UNSELFISHNESS to respect her concerns and put her first. Teenage girls go through alot with all the hormonal changes, peer pressure, etc. If him putting off shaving until she is a bit older and more secure, then I say he should trust his instincts.

Hey there High heel dudes & dudettes what has been said earliier in this post is right we all have to do our little bit to promote male heeling & skirt & dress wearing if we want to be able to do this but we dont have to ask permission it's a free country (where ,most of us live anyway ) so just go out and do it

Read my latest outing in real life meetings (It's all happening in Melbourne)

cheers Malinheels

I never said we all have to do our part to promote anything. I just said nothing is stopping you from wearing what you want, as long as it isn't indecent exposure. There is no "cause" to champion here.

I am not into wearing skirts or dresses, but if you or anyone else want to wear them, knock yourselves out.

Why worry about what you teenage daughter thinks? They are your legs and I sure that your teenage daughter would have no part of you telling her whether or not to shave her legs or how to wear her hair, etc. Why do you let you teenage daughter control what you can do with your body?

When you have a family, you can no longer think in terms of yourself. You have to think in terms of the family as a whole. That doesn't mean you can't express your individualism, but it does mean you have to consider how your expressions will affect everyone.

We don't know BCBG's family situation, he does. If he thinks it would affect her negatively, he is the best judge of it.

As I have said in previous postings, you have to decide what is most important in life, individual freedom of expression or family. Put another way, on your deathbed are you going to be most happy because you expressed your individualism or being surrounded by your most precious loved ones?

Is there some sort of secret DIY fashion thing going on?

Is B&Q the next "People of walmart"??

I found this a while ago on failblog.org.

I read a lot of people here saying things like "high heels aren't accepted on men" or "we need to work at gaining acceptance" and the like. The need for "acceptance" implies that there is a law or a movement to prevent men from wearing heels. As was stated in many threads, unless you live in a very strick religious country (and probably aren't on hhplace anyway), there are no laws preventing you from wearing heels in public nor is there any movement I know of to prevent men from wearing heels. There is no acceptance to gain. It isn't "common" is the correct term. The vast majority of the population follow trends of others. 20 years ago you barely saw men wearing ear rings. It wasn't common to see a man wearing ear rings. Now you see them everywhere. Nail polish used to be uncommon on a man, now you see a lot of professional men wearing clear nail polish. Once a trend is set and the population picks up on it, people copy it. The way trends are set is not by some movement or march (those are done when freedoms are being surpressed). The way you set a trend is just to wear it. As it become more common, more people will follow it. However, be aware that there always will be people that do not like men wearing heels so prepare yourself to hear negative comments. I am not trying to imply everyone will be negative, but don't act surprised if you do get them. If your comfortable and confident in your look though, it shouldn't bother you as much. Decide what you are comfortable and confident wearing and just wear it. The more you are seen wearing them confidently, the less odd it will appear. There will never be acceptance since there is no movement or law to over come.

Dawn, Glad you and Mickey are ok, but be careful heading out. That ice will sneak up you fast. Sounds like you had some great neighbors there. I wish we had more like that down here. Scotty

Scotty, this is not a fair comparison. Most of the guys on this board wear only heels without doing full-on crossdressing. Therefore your analogy about a wife that suddenly wants to wear fake beards and a fake mustache doesn't make any sense, We just wear heels. I believe that men that are getting grief from their wives for wearing heels should look at what masculine items their wives wear. For example, women wear men's shirts, men's ties, baseball caps, men's hairstyles, men's shoes (I have seen a lot of women shopping for themselves for men's shoes), men's watches, men's jewelry, men's cologne, and the list goes on and on. No one jumps on these women for their choices. They are not pretending to be men, they are just making a fashion choice just like the men on this site that like to wear heels. The next time your wife goes ballistic about you wearing heels, remind her about the masculine items that she and her friends wear. Almost all women wear some masculine items. I has to be a two-way street.

You missed my point entirely then, which was, you can't push your ideals on them as much as you would enjoy if they pushed their ideals on you. Marriage is a TWO way street. Open and honest communcation and COMPROMISE is key here. Hiding and sneaking around will eventually tear a marriage or any relationship apart. Once you find one "lie" no matter how innocent, there will always be the "what else is he/she hiding?" question looming in their mind.

In my case, my wife doesn't like the obvious heel. I am still wearing heels, descretely. Since I am into heel wearing for the feeling and not for the look, that works for me. As I said, I've been married for 20 years this October with 3 girls. I had to decide which was more important to me. I chose my marriage and family. I made compromises that my wife, while she doesn't love, can live with.

It reminds me of Wonderworks in Orlando FL.

http://www.wonderworksonline.com/

2000 Subaru Forester with 194,000 miles on it. Literally driving it until the wheels fall off. My wife has a 1999 Chevy Tracker with about 60,000 that she uses to drive the girls to school. We also have a 2005 Quest Mini Van with about 35,000 miles. We don't use it as much because of gas mileage.

Quite frankly, your case, BCBG, is a classic reason why it's so important to informe (tell) any prospective mate of your heeling activities before getting married.

Even when you tell your wife before your married about heels, that doesn't mean it will completely work out. I told my wife right after we met. At first she wasn't even sure she would marry me, wasn't sure if I would be a good father. Then after she got over that, she decided it was a sickness she would help me get over. And she convinced me of that too for a while. But then years of purging and rebuying, she just gave up. Of course I was only wearing them around the house back then, the idea of wearing them out didn't come up until I found this site. That added new problems, but since I was on the road at a hotel for 5 out of 7 days, I got my outside heel wearing there. Once I started working locally and was home every night, plus the girls (I have 3 girls) started getting older, she pretty much let me know she wanted me to stop wearing atleast visable heeled shoes.

Now I could "tell her like it is" as it was put, but then I would have to face ending an almost 20 years of marriage and having 3 girls have a broken home, OR decide if non-descrete heel wearing was worth losing my family. I chose the family over heels (they aren't more important than family after all), but I worked WITH her (which is the key) to figure out how I could still wear my heels while making her comfortable. I think the fact I was willing to work WITH her made all the difference in the world. She still isn't wild about me wearing heels, but atleast she tolerates it as long as it isnt obvious.

Before anyone berates my wife for her likes/dislikes, let me ask the guys here HONESTLY. If you came home one day and all of a sudden your wife said she wants to start wearing flannel shirts, construction worker boots, taping her breasts and wearing a fake mustache and beard, how many would be supportive of them?

WE can't see the issue of wearing heels or other women's clothing because it is a passion of OURS, not theirs. The best piece of advice is to talk to your spouse/partner and work WITH them to come up with something you can BOTH live with. If that isn't possible, you need to decide what is more important to you and go from there.

I met a guy who is doing it (who's link I originally posted). He told me he is trying to make his an online business, but hasn't been very successful at it.

If you or anyone has any questions, shoot me a private message. I can ask my wife for answers. The only issue we had was with wedges my sister-in-law ordered. They sent us 2 left feet. Unfortunately, she only has 1 left foot and 1 right foot, so they were of no use. We still need to send them back.

I was flipping through the channels lastnight and happened to catch the movie Escape from LA. One of the characters (Utopia) had some real nice over the knee boots. Unfortuantely, the scenes moved too quickly for me to see the heel (although I could have sworn it went from Stilleto heels to low block heels in various scenes). I searched google and can't find any pictures. If anyone has a good screen capture program, it is playing several times on AMC this month.

I had to measure something earlier today, so while I had the tape measure out, I pulled it out to 2 1/2 inches and said "This is 2 1/2 inches. Do you still think this is high?" and she said "No, that doesn't look high at all". I then put it to 3" and said "This is 3", I know you have worn atleast that" and she nodded in agreement. I then grabbed one of my wedge heels (the ones I wear as slippers and showed her it was 3 1/2 inches) and she said "That doesn't look high at all, maybe I am thinking of 5 inches." I pulled it to 5" and said "Yes, that would be high." (especially considering her and her sister wear US 6.5 size shows) I do think her perspective on how high heels are were skewed a bit.

I didnt know they did it, it looks like they do a couple of pairs of flip flops here in the UK. A couple of the Guys here have wives that are Avon reps, perhaps they will join in.

My wife is one, but she doesn't go door to door. More friends and family. Not exactly making a fortune doing it.

To be fair, picking on the other side a little

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mCCYLC-4xA

I saw a program on the history channel lastnight where they try to reconstruct various famous people's faces based on their death mask so they can show what they looked like alive. Atleast in that case they were using a death mask vs a dug up skull. In this case, they are wanting to do it to somehow prove he was a cross dresser therefore he was gay. This assumes several things (incorrectly in my idea) 1. If he did cross dress for the painting, it doesn't mean he cross dressed otherwise. He could have just done it for the painting. He might not even cross dressed. A good artist can paint a person from memory. 2. Even if he was a cross dresser, the jump from cross dresser to gay is a jump many people here face incorrectly. As is pointed out, most cross dressers are heterosexual, not homosexual. 3. If he was even a gay cross dresser, so what? Maybe in his time that would have been a scandal, but in today's supposid forward thinking world, why is this even an issue? The part the really upsets me is they want to dig up a poor man's remains and do a reconstruction (which was pointed out is bias because they already know how they want it to look) for the sole purpose of proving he was a cross dresser and gay. He there were trying to solve a crime then fine, but this does not sound like a good reason to disturb his remains. If they gain approval and do this, I hope they fail misserably.

Ok, what about this?

Again, the more you attach the idea that wearing heels is somehow "taboo" the more power you are giving to the idea that you are doing something "wrong" that needs to be justified. Do you take necklaces you are wearing around and ask women what do they think about you wearing it? Your watch? Your jacket? Sunglasses? Etc? The more you just treat that you are wearing shoes, not women's shoes, but just shoes, the less issue you will have wearing them. Don't ask approval or ask if they like it. You are just opening yourself up. If someone comes up to you and started berating you for wearing them, then I can understand defending it, but to put people on the spot "what do you think of this?" is only opening yourself up to critism. Then when they voice their honest reaction of not liking it, you can't get upset. You have to come to the conclusion that there are people that aren't going to like it. Everyone here has a fashion that to them personally goes too far. Be it people stretching their ears with ever growing rings to peircing the nose, hanging on hooks, etc, there will come some point when you yourself will think something is too strange. You can't honestly get upset over people's negative reaction when being put on the spot. You can get upset if they come up to you and try to restrict your right to wear them however. Until then, just wear whatever you are personally comfortable with wearing, just as you would any other article of clothing you wear. Don't attach some mystical power to heels that aren't there. Just to give you an idea, here are two shoes I have worn to work when I was working on the road, before I started coming home everynight. The black pair, when I wore them to work (and I worked as a contractor for the government), I even had a few guys come out and see them as I walked in and snickered as I walked past them. I paid them no attention and just walked to my cube and went about my business. During the day I noticed my pant leg raised and they were visable. Not one person I worked with said one word, nor did they start to treat me differently (when I stared there I was wearing flat shoes). If I acted as if they were something odd, I would have failed. By me just wearing them and acting no different that I had before, they might have thought it odd for a short period of time, but then just ignored it and moved on. I had given them no extra power than they were just a pair of shoes on my feet that I was wearing.

If I can add my 2 cents on this issue. I've stayed quiet on this topic for a while because I am wearing descrete heels and don't wear obvious heels out in public. Not because I am ashamed or afraid to go out in public wearing them, but out of respect for my wife and family. She doesn't like seeing me in heels, so I don't push it with her and chose instead to wear descrete heels. But alot of people here seem to think there needs to be some kind of "acceptance" in public to men wearing heels. Sadly, that isn't going to happen with people already against men wearing heels. You have to accept some people are open to it and most others aren't. If someone changes their views, it won't be by fighting for "the cause". There is no law that I know of in most of the countries represented here on hhplace. I know some strick Muslim countries probably do, but people in the US and UK and other like democracies, there is no law against it. We aren't fighting for something like gay marriage or medical marijuana. As many have said in the past, just wear them. I still wear heels, I just wear them discretely as to not upset my wife. But as someone else stated here, if you look closely, you will see I am infact wearing atleast women's shoes, if not heels. You can tell from the shape of the boots (it is thicker where it shouldn't be and my foot and toes aren't where they should be, etc) or if you watch my step closely. As a matter of fact, I have seen people outside and at work look at my boots very closely, they know something is odd but can't figure out what. Now I don't offer any reason to act different because to me, I owe them no explaination. No more than why I am wearing a certain pair of pants or jacket. If they don't like my chose in footware, so what? It's not their life to worry about. As I said, the only person's opinion that concerns me is my wife. But even with her I haven't stopped, I just found an alternative. The reason why the alternative works for me is because I don't wear heels for how they look but rather how they feel. So I have no problems wearing discrete heels. But for those fortunate enough to either have an understanding spouse, girlfriend, or still single, wear what you like. As I said, there is no "war" we are fighting here. What exact rights are we pushing to gain that we don't have right now??? I am sure the women in the 50s still had guys that didn't like them wearing jeans. They never sought approval, they just did it. Guys in the 80s didn't seek to gain approval to wear earrings, they just got them. You aren't going to gain approval from the whole of society, just wear them.

46, will be 47 in April.

Maybe this might be a better option than trying to find a pair of wedges and tear them apart:

http://www.tallmenshoes.com/elevatorinsole.html

I'm sure if you wanted to get creative, you could try to stack some of the lifts for more than a 2" increase.

They also have shoes that make you up to 4" taller, and boots for 5.2" taller. I'm sure that's the "heel" hight; it's unclear from the photos or description how hight the "platform" height is.

As I stated in another thread, my sister-in-law is getting married in October. Fortunately, I don't have to be in the wedding party, however, my wife is the maid of honor, my oldest daughter will be a bridesmaid, and my 2 youngest girls will be flower girls. As a result, I will have enough attention on me just being around them. I am thinking, this is not a day where I need to draw attention away from them to me, so I might try ordering a pair of the shoes from that website. Maybe while I am at it I will pick up one of the inserts too and let you know how it compares to my inserts.

Again, thank you for the link, it will be very helpful.

Anyone on here at this?

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-400528?hpt=C2

Scientists are hoping to exhume the body of Leonardo Da Vinci to determine if his Mona Lisa is actually a self-portrait.

[Come on, you want to disturb the poor man's remains for something as stupid as this??]

.....

Scholars have suggested that Da Vinci's presumed homosexuality motivated him to paint himself as a woman.

[One again, closed minded people portraying a man who dresses as a woman as homosexual. I personally home they refuse to allow them to do this.]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1003696/mona-lisa-could-be-da-vinci-in-drag-scientists

The problem is that wireless is less secure than a land line. I still use a land line when giving personal information over the phone.

I just wanted to clarify a point on this. The reason I posted this was less about the cross dressing and more on the reactions of people to the suggestion of men wearing women's clothes.