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    high high fashion boots i designed...

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    I really don't mind someone showing off pictures of boots and they're really good too but I spent 3 years living on beans, spending my life savings and generally living in poverty to put myself through college and here comes someone who thinks they can do the same job!

    I have made a few shoes in my time and every single one was designed from the concept picture to the finished article. This included cutting the patterns, making the mock-up and making the finished article from scratch. Most proper designers will do all of this because you cannot design something unless you have a good idea of whether it would be possible to make it. This is why it takes 7 years to qualify as an architect.

    High fashion footwear is all about drawing something in your Parisian or NY or London studio and then making the patterns, writing the spec sheet, then the closing sequence and sending the whole package off to the factory.

    Celine might call herself a designer but she is a stylist really (and a very fine one). Other people turn her drawings into designs. Kate Moss calls herself a designer too but all she does is describe what she would like and the designers at TopShop make it happen. The same goes for Victoria Beckham, do you think she actually designs shoes for Gina? Of course she doesn't.

    Website design is a little different because what you draw is the finished product, in much the same way as desktop publishing. Coding is the engineering part of the process.

    Again, you couldn't design a car you could conceptualise it, style it or draw a pretty picture of a car but you will not be designing it. To design a car would mean that you would be planning where the engine will go, where the radiator would be, the type of seats and the layout of the dashboard. You would have to specify the type of struts and the location of the shock absorbers. This is too much for one person which is why you nearly always have design teams.

    I like Marc Newson too! :wave:

    this is going to be the last time is respond to this.

    i wonder why you persistingly accuse me of saying i was able to build those boots.

    read it slowly and carefully: I NEVER SAID THIS!!!!!!!

    the term to design in germany does not neccessarily involve the technical aspects as you describe them.

    i read a little about it and found out that in the anglo-saxon area the term to design includes them.

    that's why i was backpedaling. (i guess you read that, didn't you?)

    but you're still hackling me on that issue.

    i studied photoengineering and mediadesign. so a lot of years at college for me as well.

    but in the next step you do the same you accuse me of.

    not paying respect to the profession of others.

    this was definitely not meant to be my visual masterpiece.

    i did it just for fun in quite a short time.

    but saying in a roundabout way i was drawing like a child...

    i don't think those pictures and my studies deserve that.

    and again:

    all this was supposed to be as you call them "pretty pictures of boots".

    totally detached from the possibility of making them work in real life.

    but to me this is becoming more and more psychologically interesting why

    you totally neglect what i was writing and keep going on and on....

    besides: do you have a doctoral dregree?

    high high fashion boots i designed...

    in For Everybody

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    well, what comes up to my mind here is the following pic from rené magritte called The Treachery of Images, which is sort of what i understand as the essence in this "dispute" here. at the end of a shoe design process one would expect a shoe or at least a shoe prototype that you are able to wear to some extent. i think the expamle with the architect fits quite well, same would be for industrial designers.

    on the other hand. it's great that people show of their creative output, which i really appreciate. so we should not be too picky. at the end it is a well made picture/sketch of a boot. fine for me. well done.

    good point dante.

    maybe i should have put it this way:

    here are some images (of boots) i designed.

    high high fashion boots i designed...

    in For Everybody

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    I have to say I'm with the doc on this one. To say you designed the boot would mean you have an education in footwear design. to say you did conceptual artwork would be more accurate. As an artist myself, I have to say that your photoshop work could use a little more practice as you can tell at a glance the boots are photoshoped. I don't think you did bad, just not great and you didn't design a shoe, you did concept art. I mainly have an issue with your wording. not your work.

    whatever....i'm tired of getting the feeling i have to justify myself.

    i posted those boots here for the sake of boots.

    i've got enough education concerning photoshop - trust me.

    this is not meant to be a flawless visual reproduction of something nor was it supposed to be art or anything like that.

    it was meant to show my idea. i could have spent a few more hours on a few details - but for what reason? i'm not getting paid for this.

    it was just for fun while i was bored on a rainy sunday afternoon.

    regarding the "design term" - there seems to be a slight discrepancy of

    use in german and anglo-saxon.

    but actually i give up. i did whatever to those shoes and showed them to you.

    but i'm rather dissappointed that there's almost more discussion about my words than about the boots.

    i thought this was a shoe forum. maybe i was wrong...

    high high fashion boots i designed...

    in For Everybody

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    I didn't say I think it's easy to do, but certainly easier than creating something totally from scratch. I prefer to work in 3 dimensions.

    well as an 3d artist you also often make use of pre-built textures or even models of something.

    and wether it is an mesh warp in photoshop or tweaking splines in maya/3ds max - wether it's dodge and burn ion photoshop or setting light.

    i think it's similar. although i got a lot of respect for 3d artists.

    i often work together with 3d guys for commercials.

    besides flame/ds nitris/after effects/nuke-stuff where i can do simple 3d things too i switch to photoshop for stuff like this.

    would love to see some of your 3d renders of heels or boots.

    but the main thing here really is...that it'S not about the total visual perfection of those boots...it's more about the style the idea - the feel...

    high high fashion boots i designed...

    in For Everybody

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    to me it looks like you took a photo of a regular boot, and stretched and twisted it in photoshop to look more extreme, and altered the colors.

    of course i got a few items from other photos. the basic front was taken from a fully flat shoe. leather structure was taken from two different boots. heel, metal heel and platform didn't exist at all. i stole the buckle too - but had to modify it as well. so a lot of compositing. it wasn't as easy as you suggested. but i take that as a compliment - since you thought i did almost nothing ; )))

    high high fashion boots i designed...

    in For Everybody

    Posted

    loco1. OK, now you've done it, you got my blood pumping. Are you going to have those boots custom made ? I love the design, heel shape and height. Also, I especially like the brown that fades to chocolate color. Class all the way. If they are made, the heel and platform can be made in any height. Please send me a private message. I would like to converse, more in length, about these boots. Mike

    thanks mike for appreciating what i did : )

    high high fashion boots i designed...

    in For Everybody

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    No, you didn't design them, you drew pretty pictures of them.

    With all due respect most people can draw pictures of shoes but it takes three years of education to actually make them work.

    They could probably be made but there would have to be a lot of alterations before that could be done. I do like the strap detail though.

    dear dr. shoe (never thought i would say that...)

    of course i designed them.

    design is the process of layout/draft/conception/styling/composing!

    that's exactly what i did with those boots from scratch.

    think of a car designer responsible for the body. he doesn't have to worry too much about the engine.

    and even if the craftmanship of a shoedesigner involves the art of making them possible/wearable - though i'm really not sure about that. i never said i could do that and i never said those were possible to build.

    i'm not so sure that so many people could what you call 'draw' a shoe in a visual/photorealistic way like i did. cause i had over 3 years education in that visual field ; ))

    and besides i wonder about the huge amount of discredit you meet with new posters.

    but nevermind...

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