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Heel Meet in NYC! March 19, 2005


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Hi, All:

It will be a pleasure to meet anyone there! It looks I can be there too.

See you........

SP4101

I will be there. If any body else wil be there Please PM me so we can swap phone numbers so we will recognise each other and not repeat the last one. Pam and I were probobly within 2 feet of eachother and we did not know it.

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Even though I won't be able to be at the NYC heel meet, I would like to take this opportunity to welcome SP4101 to the HH Place Forum. I'll be with you all in spirit anyways, and will eagerly read your accounts of the event. Cheers--- Dawn HH

High Heeled Boots Forever!

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Thanks Dawn HH !

I am looking forward to meet interesting/nice people here and in NYC! Are there more to sign in?

SP4101

Even though I won't be able to be at the NYC heel meet, I would like to take this opportunity to welcome SP4101 to the HH Place Forum. I'll be with you all in spirit anyways, and will eagerly read your accounts of the event. Cheers---

Dawn HH

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OK Heel Fans!

We are on our way to the first successful USA Heel Meeting!

About 10 weeks and counting, so let's spread the word.

Saturday March 19, 2005 (tenative plan)

We will meet for lunch at 7A between 12:30 and 1 pm.

The address in the East Village is: 109 Ave A, Cross Street: 7th Street.

Phone if you need directions: (212) 673-6583.

Expect lunch to cost about $15 or less.

We hope to spend about an hour getting to know each other.

Then we are out and about for a fun day. We plan to head west on 8th street, then up 6th avenue to Union Square. There will will find a HUGE 4 story Barnes and Noble book store and a HUGH used book store. Also we will find a DSW (discount shoe warehouse) and numerous ALDO's and other shoe stores along the way.

(We also have the option to go further on 8th street to "Shoe Store Avenue", if there is a desire.)

Three to four hours of shopping and site seeing, should have us tired and hungry. We will walk through Chelsea and head up to dinner.

Dinner will be at East of Eighth. The address is:

254 W 23rd St

Cross Street: Between Seventh and Eighth Avenue

Phone: (212) 352-0075

We expect to be having dinner by 6pm at the latest.

Dinner should be a fun time showing off any purchases, discussing the day, and maybe even making plans for NYC Meet II.

After dinner some may opt to enjoy the city nightlife or head home.

The whole area we will cover will only be about 20 blocks, from 7A to East of Eighth.

Any suggestions or comments are more than welcome.

If you can make this meeting, please copy and past the following information, adding your name to the list. EVERYONE is welcome. You do not have to be wearing heels to attend. But if you are, and you are not sure about so much walking, feel free to bring a change of footwear.

SPREAD THE WORD !!! We can't let the English Have All The Fun!

Gary0618

Planning to Attend March 19, NYC Meet.

Gary0618

Possible Friends coming:

Katie

Su

MaryAnn

KneeHighs

CrotchiBoots

Sp4101

FLAT SHOES, LIKE FLAT DRINKS, ARE FOR FLAT PEOPLE

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Too bad, I won't be in town for the heel meet. I am stationed outside of US most time of the year. But please go for it! It will be great to meet others who shared the same passion. I am glad I join the brits for last Sept in Bristol.

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Here are some pics of the heel meet from March that were destroyed during the hacking raid.

kneehighs, unknown member (sorry, crotchhiboots might know), crotchhiboots, Gary0618's girlfriend, Gary0618.

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New York City has to be one of the friendliest street heeling cities in the United States. The laws are in our favor here in nyc, so people are encouraged to move here and enjoy the laws protection to the fullest extent. The statutory definition of gender inlcudes a man in heels (8-102). That definition can be applied if you are denied access to a public accomodation (8-107.4). That statutory definition also includes prohibitions against harassment from the general public while street heeling (8-602). And you have a private cause of action to enforce the law which means that instead of having to rely on some governmental entity to enforce the law (similar to the FTC, FCC, or SEC), you can initiate a lawsuit with your own lawyer (8-502). These laws are applicable in all five buroughs of the city: Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx, and Staten Island. Which means that if you are street heeling in the ghetto area of the South Bronx you are even protected. The legislative framework for publicly protected street heeling has already been made law and herein lies a brief review of the judicial enforcement vehicle for your convenience.

First, check out the New York City Administrative Code's definition of the word gender:

23. The term "gender" shall include actual or perceived sex and shall

also include a person's gender identity, self-image, appearance,

behavior or expression, whether or not that gender identity, self-image,

appearance, behavior or expression is different from that traditionally

associated with the legal sex assigned to that person at birth.

Second, and of significance for future heel meets, is section 4.

a. It shall be an unlawful discriminatory practice for any person, being the owner, lessee, proprietor, manager, superintendent, agent or employee of any place or provider of public accommodation, because of the actual or perceived race, creed, color, national origin, age, gender, disability, marital status, sexual orientation or alienage or citizenship status of any person, directly or indirectly, to refuse, withhold from or deny to such person any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities or privileges thereof, or, directly or indirectly, to make any declaration, publish, circulate, issue, display, post or mail any written or printed communication, notice or advertisement, to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any such place or provider shall be refused, withheld from or denied to any person on account of race, creed, color, national origin, age, gender, disability, marital status, sexual orientation or alienage or citizenship status or that the patronage or custom of any person belonging to, purporting to be, or

perceived to be, of any particular race, creed, color, national origin, age, gender, disability, marital status, sexual orientation or alienage or citizenship status is unwelcome, objectionable or not acceptable, desired or solicited. b. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the provisions of this subdivision shall not apply, with respect to age or gender, to places or providers of pub- lic accommodation where the commission grants an exemption based on bona fide considerations of public policy.

Since this is the section of the NYC Admin Code that is very applicable to street heeling in nyc, I have revised and divided the last paragraph for easier reading:

a. It shall be an unlawful discriminatory practice for any person,

being the owner, lessee, proprietor, manager, superintendent, agent or employee of any place or provider of public accommodation,

because of the actual or perceived...gender....

directly or indirectly, to refuse, withhold from or deny to such person any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities or privileges thereof,

or, directly or indirectly, to make any declaration, publish, circulate, issue, display, post or mail any written or printed communication, notice or advertisement, to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any such place or provider shall be refused, withheld from or denied to any person on account of gender...

or that the patronage or custom of any person belonging to, purporting to be, or perceived to be, of any...gender

is unwelcome, objectionable or not acceptable, desired or solicited.

So in laymans terms, "public accomodations" refers to providers of goods and services to the public. Restaurants, hospitals, stores, theaters, and even government service providers would be covered under this statute.

Imagine a group of five guys in heels being denied access to an upscale restaurant in nyc!

Third, the law also includes protections against discriminatory harassment on the basis of a man wearing high heels.

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equitable remedies. a. Whenever a person interferes by threats,

intimidation or coercion or attempts to interfere by threats,

intimidation or coercion with the exercise or enjoyment by any person of

rights secured by the constitution or laws of the United States, the

constitution or laws of this state, or local law of the city and such

interference or attempted interference is motivated in whole or in part

by the victim's actual or perceived race, creed, color, national origin,

gender, sexual orientation, age, whether children are, may or would be

residing with such victim, marital status, disability, or alienage or

citizenship status as defined in chapter one of this title, the

corporation counsel, at the request of the city commission on human

rights or on his or her own initiative, may bring a civil action on

behalf of the city for injunctive and other appropriate equitable relief

in order to protect the peaceable exercise or enjoyment of the rights

secured.

b. An action pursuant to subdivision a may be brought in any court of

competent jurisdiction.

c. Violation of an order issued pursuant to subdivision a of this

section may be punished by a proceeding for contempt brought pursuant to

article nineteen of the judiciary law and, in addition to any relief

thereunder, a civil penalty may be imposed not exceeding ten thousand

dollars for each day that the violation continues.

So its illegal to knowingly intimidate, threaten, or oppress a man for wearing high heels in nyc. How about that?

Now, the best part about the nyc law is that there is actually a PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION. That means that you as an individual can sue the offending party directly for it is your private privilege. Enforcement is not an exclusively governmental agency privilege. Some U.S. laws can only be enforced through governmental agencies like the SEC, FCC, or FTC. That is not the case here.

Civil action by persons aggrieved by unlawful discriminatory practices." a. Except as otherwise provided by law, any person claiming

to be aggrieved by an unlawful discriminatory practice as defined in

chapter one of this title or by an act of discriminatory harassment or

violence as set forth in chapter six of this title shall have a cause of

action in any court of competent jurisdiction for damages, including

punitive damages, and for injunctive relief and such other remedies as

may be appropriate, unless such person has filed a complaint with the

city commission on human rights or with the state division of human

rights with respect to such alleged unlawful discriminatory practice or

act of discriminatory harassment or violence. For purposes of this

subdivision, the filing of a complaint with a federal agency pursuant to

applicable federal law prohibiting discrimination which is subsequently

referred to the city commission on human rights or to the state division

of human rights pursuant to such law shall not be deemed to constitute

the filing of a complaint under this subdivision.

So as long as you file your lawsuit within the very liberal 3 YEAR Statute of Limitations in nyc (pursuant to subsection d), you can sue that bouncer, or sue that bartender, the manager, or better yet, sue each and every one of them including the deep pockets of the corporation itself. The above structure basically spoon feeds you the outline for a lawsuit.

The statutory definition of gender inlcudes a man in heels (8-102). That definition can be applied whether you are denied access to a restaurant, a hotel, or a boutique (8-107.4). It can most especially be applied if you are harassed by someone on the street--which could arguably include being made fun of by passerbyers (8-602). And you have a private cause of action to enforce the law too (8-502). The legislative branch of the local government sure has done their job to protect the legal rights of a man to wear heels. The judicial aspect is a privilege for the private individual to pursue should he/she choose to do so.

I can't believe its taken me so long to dig into nyc's very liberal laws protecting street heeling men. Street heel away guys!

all laws can be found here:

http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menuf.cgi

click on laws of new york

then scroll to the very bottom of the screen and click on ADC

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Hiya, kneehighs: Well, I must say that was most impressive! It's certainly good to know that the law is on our side when it comes to heel wearing. If I didn't need to take out a second and third mortgage or win the lottery for some obscene amount of money, I'd certainly move to NYC!

:rofl:

I don't want to LOOK like a woman, I just want to DRESS like a woman!

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Hi kneehighs, here my comment on the legislation in Germany: Wearing high heels as guy is simply a fundamental right. Article 2, §1 of our constitution (Grundgesetz) says clearly "Jeder hat hat das Recht auf die freie Entfaltung seiner Persoenlichkeit, soweit er nicht nicht die Rechte anderer verletzt oder gegen die verfassungsmaessige Ordnung oder das Sittengesetz verstoesst". The first articles of our constitution are the most important. It's No. 2 I'll try a translation: "Everybody has the right of a free unfolding of his personality, as long as he doesn't hurt the rights of others or as long as he doesn't violate the constitutional order or the common moral laws" The last three words are the crucial point! Our constititution was written down at a time (only a few years after the nazi terror regime) when nobody was thinking at high heels wearing guys. May be that the imagination of abnormal behaviour - induced by the nazis- was still in their heads :wink: The fathers of our constitution had no imagination of the future developments: Like the Hippie movement of the 70ies or today private TV stations with midnight pornos or the complete cancelling of §175 StGB in 1994 (german penal code concerning homosexuality - the first reforms of the year 1973 under chancellor Willy Brandt suspended this paragraph almost). If anyone should have the crude idea to accuse me because of violation of moral laws the whole nation would laugh about him! Naturally I would win every trial at the German Constititutional Court (Bundesverfassungsgericht). My country is no "banana republic" or ruled by ayatollahs :D nice greetings micha

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