Firefox Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 Anita is dead right. If the 10% or so of men who wanted to experiment with various types of fashion were honest, and went out and did so, there would be so many doing it that it would be a non issue within 24 hours. In actual fact, you don't need any excuse for wearing heels, but you need a pretty good explanation for sitting in a closet and whinging about your "luck" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 Anita is right, if you put up a lightening rod you will get struck sooner or later. I have been several times, hard. Just keep it steady as she goes and it will work out. It is said one of the best ways to develop self confidence is to do something eccentric and learn to live with the fallout. Wearing heels is a good activity for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heelfan Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Strornerily good point Firefox! I have MUCH more admiration for all the guys who strut their stuff in public and in an open, honest fashion and mix with othere human beings than I do for those who cower and cringe away in closets and on lonely windswept moorlands and disused airfields etc. doing it purely for their own amazement. I think it not only attracts more respect to go street-heeling amongst real people, but ultimately the wearers find that it gives INFINITELY more enjoyment, satisfaction and fulfilment to do ones thing in real life! Cheerfully youys, Heelfan Onwards and upwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new_look Posted December 16, 2003 Author Share Posted December 16, 2003 i agree and have experienced that myself along with the gang and my own outings. Its much easier when you can wear heels as part of your everyday life to enjoy as you go about your business, enjoying it as an addition to what you are doing, just like women can do anytime. When you do it on disused roads, at 3am, dark paths etc, its not as fun cos youre always on the watchpost for any living object in case you have to hide from them as they musnt see you, believe me ive been there and done it, and the it doesnt compare to the enjoyment of the real thing. (Ps to anita etc, this post was never about wearing skirts i think there was a muddle up there) Daz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawn Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 hi just wanted to share a few encounters i had first was with 3 teenage girls (14-15), they seen me in my 4" block heels (no platform).they called me and asked to see my boots. GIRL1: nice boots, why are you wearing them ? ME: Why not ? GIRL1: They are woman boots ! ME: well , it's fun, should woman have all the fun ? GIRL2: YES ME: NO !!!. my NO was probably a bit to loud cause they made a face and left. second encounter was with a group of another 3 teenage girls and i was wearing my dark green 3.5" block loafers from nine west. GIRL1: Excuse me? , Sir ME: YES !? GIRL1: are those woman shoes ? ME: YES GIRL1: Why are you wearing them? ME: I Like them They're cool. GIRL1: So why aren't you wearing a bra aswell? ME:Do i seem to need one? GIRL1: NO. But whats the deal with the shoes ? ME: I Just like wearing them. GIRL1:you mean you like the height and the clicking sound? ME: YUP ! GIRL1:OH , OK COOL. as you notice only 1 girl did the talking the other 2 were staring at my shoes and didn't say a word. The third encounter happened 6 month later but the similarities are amazing. this time it was a group of young girls (5 or 6), but again, only one did the talking, all the rest were in comma staring at my boots, this time they were black ankle boots with 4" stiletto heel. (3" were showing under my jeans). GIRL1: (to her friends) hey he's wearing highheels (like i couldn't hear her). GIRL1: excuse me ? , a a a sir? Me: [turning around] GIRL1:are you a boy or a girl ? (i had men's clothes- go figure) ME:A MAN ! GIRL1:do you want to be a girl? ME:Not at the moment (with a wide smile). GIRL1:but youare wearing girls shoes ! ME:[loosing my patience] THEY ARE MEN SHOES ALSO! GIRL1:and do you like wearing them? ME:Very much! GIRL1:[again]and you don't want to be a girl? ME:NO GIRL1:and you love wearing them? ME:[realy close to kick her butt with my heels]YES ! GIRL1:OK. those 3 encounters happened over a preiod of 1 year at totaly diferent places, but the similarities are amazing. it is quite obvious they were all confused of seeing something they were thought they couldn't see a man with highheels. it seemes like after the initial shock they seems to accept it in a certian manner. i beleive also that an encounter like this in a small age will help them to accpet such things at an older age , altough iv'e had my share of ridicule from teenagers but i like to push the envelope a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawn Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 hi just wanted to share a few encounters i had first was with 3 teenage girls (14-15), they seen me in my 4" block heels (no platform).they called me and asked to see my boots. GIRL1: nice boots, why are you wearing them ? ME: Why not ? GIRL1: They are woman boots ! ME: well , it's fun, should woman have all the fun ? GIRL2: YES ME: NO !!!. my NO was probably a bit to loud cause they made a face and left. second encounter was with a group of another 3 teenage girls and i was wearing my dark green 3.5" block loafers from nine west. GIRL1: Excuse me? , Sir ME: YES !? GIRL1: are those woman shoes ? ME: YES GIRL1: Why are you wearing them? ME: I Like them They're cool. GIRL1: So why aren't you wearing a bra aswell? ME:Do i seem to need one? GIRL1: NO. But whats the deal with the shoes ? ME: I Just like wearing them. GIRL1:you mean you like the height and the clicking sound? ME: YUP ! GIRL1:OH , OK COOL. as you notice only 1 girl did the talking the other 2 were staring at my shoes and didn't say a word. The third encounter happened 6 month later but the similarities are amazing. this time it was a group of young girls (5 or 6), but again, only one did the talking, all the rest were in comma staring at my boots, this time they were black ankle boots with 4" stiletto heel. (3" were showing under my jeans). GIRL1: (to her friends) hey he's wearing highheels (like i couldn't hear her). GIRL1: excuse me ? , a a a sir? Me: [turning around] GIRL1:are you a boy or a girl ? (i had men's clothes- go figure) ME:A MAN ! GIRL1:do you want to be a girl? ME:Not at the moment (with a wide smile). GIRL1:but youare wearing girls shoes ! ME:[loosing my patience] THEY ARE MEN SHOES ALSO! GIRL1:and do you like wearing them? ME:Very much! GIRL1:[again]and you don't want to be a girl? ME:NO GIRL1:and you love wearing them? ME:[realy close to kick her butt with my heels]YES ! GIRL1:OK. those 3 encounters happened over a preiod of 1 year at totaly diferent places, but the similarities are amazing. it is quite obvious they were all confused of seeing something they were thought they couldn't see a man with highheels. it seemes like after the initial shock they seems to accept it in a certian manner. i beleive also that an encounter like this in a small age will help them to accpet such things at an older age , altough iv'e had my share of ridicule from teenagers but i like to push the envelope a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenB Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 The third encounter happened 6 month later but the similarities are amazing. this time it was a group of young girls (5 or 6), but again, only one did the talking, all the rest were in comma staring at my boots, this time they were black ankle boots with 4" stiletto heel. (3" were showing under my jeans). GIRL1: (to her friends) hey he's wearing highheels (like i couldn't hear her). GIRL1: excuse me ? , a a a sir? Me: [turning around] GIRL1:are you a boy or a girl ? (i had men's clothes- go figure) ME:A MAN ! GIRL1:do you want to be a girl? ME:Not at the moment (with a wide smile). GIRL1:but youare wearing girls shoes ! ME:[loosing my patience] THEY ARE MEN SHOES ALSO! GIRL1:and do you like wearing them? ME:Very much! GIRL1:[again]and you don't want to be a girl? ME:NO GIRL1:and you love wearing them? ME:[realy close to kick her butt with my heels]YES ! GIRL1:OK. In a coma. That was really funny! So many people just go into brain lock at the sight of anything unusual. Kind of like driving down the road and slowing to watch a cop give someone a ticket. Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, I'm from the Earth.Now wearing HH Penny Loafers full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genebujold Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 Does there have to be a reason??? I've only been asked three times, although if I apply a little imagination, I can stretch my responses a bit to the question, "Why are you wearing high heels?" aka "Why are you wearing women's shoes?" 1. I have short tendons. How about you? 2. They keep my pantlegs from dragging. 3. I dunno - ask her (and point to my wife). 4. It's her fault (again, point to my wife). 5. Bad back. 6. I like the leather. 7. Record-breaking Linoleum divots (Linoleum is a type of kitchen flooring). 8. They keep my feet warm. 9. To protect my feet. 10. They match my skirt. As you can see, my answers are short. A long time ago and a galaxy far away (and in situations having nothing to do with heels), I learned a short response is best when people question you why you're doing something different. And provided it's not f*** o**, a short answer is usually received as a non-threatening way of saying you're really not all that interested in discussing the issue further. If you are, then by all means give a much longer answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new_look Posted December 25, 2003 Author Share Posted December 25, 2003 amusing responses, particularly for someone with the sarcastic approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heelfan Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 I'm afraid I do not personally concur with some of Gene's answers which appear to contain either sarcasm (as pointed out by Daz) or flippancy. These appear to fly in the face of my own earlier posting on this thread in which I pointed out the wisdom of giving frank and truthful answers, with examples given. In my opinion, flippant answers can sometimes antagonise people, and do less to further the cause of gaining the public's understanding and respect for heel-wearing guys, than friendly, sincere and truthful answers which can do a lot of good for us individually, and for our movement. Gene - don't take offence, I only say this to be constructive, and it's purely my personal opinion. Cheerfully yours, Heelfan Onwards and upwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genebujold Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 Ahh... Well, Heelfan, I appreciate your feedback, so here's my heavily re-edited response - and thank you, Dr. Shoe (above) for sharing your own understanding that levity is a great tension-breaker, when appropriate. I've found that, when appropriately utilized (in moderation, with wit, levity, and in the right audience), sarcasm can be an effective response to otherwise digging questions. And you can usually tell when a question is asked with sincerity, as in "I couldn't help but notice you were wearing heels, and I'd like to ask you why," and when it's a dig, as in "what's up with the girly shoes, bub?" To the former, I'd probably respond, "actually, I began wearing a moderate heel shoe due to a bad ankle, and after a while I just began wearing them because I like them." To the latter, I'd probably respond, "not much - what's up with the girly lime in your beer trick?" Unless, of course, the individual, the situation, the timing, etc., would result in a problem, in which case I'd probably revert to "I like 'em. Pretty much the same as he (point to some guy wearing earrings) likes wearing earrings and she likes wearing pants. You know - just different strokes." In reality, however, the very fact that I'm a guy wearing heels usually puts others on their best behavior. Something to do with doing something really different in a situation, kind of like the reason you never hear of a clown being assaulted - who would assualt a clown? Having said all of this, my first response to Heelfan's comments should have been one of levity! Instead, I must admit, my goat had been got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heelfan Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 Hello Gene! Sorry Gene for offending you in my posting. Upon re-reading it, although it was meant constructively to the street-heeling movement, I admit and apologise for my wording being 'over the top' in various places. Sorry! Immediately I received your PM, I edited my posting accordingly, only 19 minutes after first posting it. I have not removed it altogether, because I was trying to re-inforce what I sincerely believe to be a valid point (ie that all reasons given be street-heelers should be friendly and honest) as already propounded in my longer, earlier posting. And also, the whole concept of "FORUM" is an arena for debate and opposing points of view, even if we upset each other a little in the process. It is only be being frank, open and sincere in out views that we can have healthy, if controversial debate in order to arrive at some sort of eventual concensus on these various threads and topics. So, what I have done is to stick to my original point of view, but I have edited my posting to soften the tone, pointing out that those are purely my personal views, and removing words like "lies" (although it WOULD be a lie if numbers of forum members start going around saying it helps their bad back, unless it is the very rare person whose back IS cured by a bad back). Also, thank you for pointing out in your PM that your approach was more "tongue in cheek" than mine. However, on a thread like this where quite a few young up-and-coming street-heelers could well be reading such threads in search of guidance and advice, I tend to restrict my own humour to less influencial threads (for instance - see my posting today on the "Statistics" thread). I hope this message restores goodwill between us, and that we can agree to differ on certain opinions and topics without upsetting each other. I repeat my apologies for doing the latter, and have a Happy New Year! Cheerfully yours, Heelfan Onwards and upwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shoe Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 I'm afraid I do not personally concur with some of Gene's answers which appear to contain either sarcasm (as pointed out by Daz) or flippancy. These appear to fly in the face of my own earlier posting on this thread in which I pointed out the wisdom of giving frank and truthful answers, with examples given. In my opinion, flippant answers can sometimes antagonise people, and do less to further the cause of gaining the public's understanding and respect for heel-wearing guys, than friendly, sincere and truthful answers which can do a lot of good for us individually, and for our movement. Gene - don't take offence, I only say this to be constructive, and it's purely my personal opinion. Cheerfully yours, Heelfan In my experience though, I generally find that it helps to keep the reply light and perhaps slightly humourous because this says to the questioner that it is no big deal to me and that it shouldn't be to them. Sometimes the question is posed in a sarcastic or confrontational way just as in Oxford street last September, certain questions require certain answers. If someone is confrontational or sarcastic, then no amount of earnest, frank conversation is going to change their point of view except demonstrate that you don't have a problem with it and that the problem is exclusively theirs. On the other hand, if the question is one of genuine curiosity then a more frank reply is perhaps called for. Graduate footwear designer able to advise and assist on modification and shoe making projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new_look Posted December 26, 2003 Author Share Posted December 26, 2003 nice to see a potential quarrel resolved, i have to say i respect and understand both concepts of both genes and heelfans answers to peoples questions. I believe it is important that when you go out to do something different that you are mentally prepared with an answer to anyone sad and curious enough to come and ask why you are wearing 'womens shoes' like normally happens. As a beginner the usual fears are either violence or people questioning why you are doing what you are, so this topic is well suited for that reason As i pointed out, i would probably use a gene style response to a sarcastic approach where the questioner is content to ask in search of a dig at me, eg. laughing or taking the p**s by doint so. That way it sends their sarcasm on their merry way with something to think about, however for the more friendly and polite questioning (eg the woman in Magnus on our last heel meet) i would be more than happy to give the truthful explanation to someone who would be genuinely interested. However i dont feel the need to offer a full truthful proper explanation to some pisstaking imbecile whos mission by asking is to make fun of my choice of footwear. daz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genebujold Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 Hello Gene! Sorry Gene for offending you in my posting. Upon re-reading it, although it was meant constructively to the street-heeling movement, I admit and apologise for my wording being 'over the top' in various places. Sorry! Cheerfully yours, Heelfan No worries, Heelfan - Not only am I glad it was merely a misunderstanding (mostly on my part), but I've also heavily edited my response: http://www.hhplace.org/hhboard/viewtopic.php?p=46075#46075 Thank you for your magnanimousness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefox Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 One thing I've learned from years on text boards is that it's very diffficult to convey your true feelings, so thing can easily get misinterpreted. I am often contraversial or too forthright at times which is a bad thing for a mod, but I am prepared to waive my ideas aside, or agree to disagree if there is conflict, as you guys are doing likewise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genebujold Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 One thing I've learned from years on text boards is that it's very diffficult to convey your true feelings, so thing can easily get misinterpreted. I am often contraversial or too forthright at times which is a bad thing for a mod, but I am prepared to waive my ideas aside, or agree to disagree if there is conflict, as you guys are doing likewise. I ran my first message board (via QuickBBS) in 1986. Incredible program, by the way - I've yet to see any online forum duplicate it's threading capabilities... But like you, I'm fairly opinionated, and when you remove the pi from opinion, you have onion, which, when raw, is about as tasty as opinionated arguements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba136 Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 "opinionated arguements?" How about calling them debates? where discussions involving opposing points of view transpire. Being mentally comfortable in your own mind is the key to wearing heels in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heelfan Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Yes, exactly Bubba, a debate needn't be an argument. The main difference between the two is that ithe former is constructive and the latter is destructive. And Firefox, you do yourself down! I've never met anybody, whether a moderator or anyone else in life who is more considerate, even-handed, mild-natured and diplomatic than you invariably appear to be! I have been so impressed by the number of times some obnoxious geek (and I don't exclude myself!) has posted on these Forums, or porn merchants or sexual sadists or whatever, and you have dealt with them all admirably firmly, but using incredible tact, self-restaint and impeccable good manners. Honestly Firefox, if everybody else had even a modicum of your fairness and good nature, the world would be a much better place. We are so very lucky to have you as our excellent moderator! Cheerfully yours, Heelfan Onwards and upwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyguy Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 I agree with Heelfan there, Firefox you do yourself an injustice. You have a documented history of your tact and diplomacy on this forum. I have often been impressed with your answer to a criticism, or blatant slur on you, and thought how I would have reacted in an inflammatory way when you acted coolly and with dignity intact on both sides. It takes big men (in high heels or otherwise ) to apologise, and Gene and HF both backed off, and sorted their differences in a gentlemanly way, kudos to you all. He was so narrow minded he could see through a keyhole with both eyes. Brown's Law: If the shoe fits, it's ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genebujold Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Well, shucks, guys - now that the group hugs have ensued... How about we get back to the topic! Excuses for men in heels? How about some of the following (not flippant, but not apologetic, either)?: 1. They're comfortable. 2. They go well with these pants. 3. I enjoy the way they look and I feel while wearing them. - Gene' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXT-1 Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 never been outside in my heels(6" "stripper" plats similar to my avatar) heres a few I thought up just now person: (could either be male or female) "Those are womens shoes!" me: "yeah they are, but I wanted show my inner exotic dancer!" me: (alternative answer) "Boo, hiss!, women have had all the fun! until now!" actally if I had the guts to wear 'em outside number one is what I'd probably say! but these responses would probably prevoke a fight (not really sure as in too chicken to try it!- both the heeling and the retorts) later, TXT-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new_look Posted December 31, 2003 Author Share Posted December 31, 2003 same here, id wanna stick up for myself, and why not, but i wouldnt wanna provoke a fight. too many people just enjoy them today. Also i agree with the above said. Firefox you are the legend of the boards, and it was links to your being that brought me to opinions and thoughts i wouldve never thought of, and if it wasnt for your website and the board my heeling would have been out of sight frever more. Now it has already been open a few times and will continue..... I have to say although i like to read all responses, its nice to see the input of the veterans, fox, hfan, gene bubba etc etc daz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjt101 Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 person: (could either be male or female) "Those are womens shoes!" me: "yeah they are, but I wanted show my inner exotic dancer!" I think I will have to remember that one. Proudly standing in my patent High Heels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 "I wear high heels to have a better look into your cleavage." Happy newyear everyone Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shoe Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 "I wear high heels to have a better look into your cleavage." Try not to use that particular retort on a man! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Graduate footwear designer able to advise and assist on modification and shoe making projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genebujold Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 Try not to use that particular retort on a man! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Hm. I'm not sure it would work on most men. Emphasis on "most..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyguy Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 Well no ones looking at my cleavage He was so narrow minded he could see through a keyhole with both eyes. Brown's Law: If the shoe fits, it's ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXT-1 Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 I wouldn't use that retort near anyone as you don't know of they do karate (or any other form of self defence) just saying be careful what you say it could get you in VERY hot water later, TXT-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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