Charlie

I could have sworn I posted this yesterday here?..

I went out running errands yesterday wearing my 4" heeled western boots. For the first time I actually looked eye-to-eye with the tall gal that owns the local hardware store. It just happened to be the first time I wore 4" heeled boots to the hardware store when she instead of one of her employees was working the register. She was wearing flat shoes. It was kind of a turn on. I know, strange.. LOL

You can see them here:

http://www.hhplace.org/guys/18489-starter_heeled_boots_public_outings.html

Charlie

Examples?

By all means! I've included a picture of the 4" heeled western boots I wore all day yesterday while running errands. My 3" heeled ones are virtually identical except the heel is 1" lower.

Charlie

I thought that that is why you guys in the USA all walk around with a gun.

Y.

I actually have a pistol permit but I choose to leave the pistol home 99.9% of the time because I'd be too tempted to use it on such redneck idiots.

Charlie

You're probably right...I was just guessing, but I bet I'm not too far off.

Generally, if you look at anyone's foot in a high heeled shoe, the added height will be roughly the distance from the top of the arch of the bottom of the foot to the ground which is typically quite a ways down from the top of the heel itself.

Charlie

I'm thinking hard about these as a go anywhere ankle boot:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310278204132

I also wouldn't be upset if someone here beat me to the punch as I really don't need to spend the money at the moment with Christmas so close.. LOL

Charlie

Oh well.... I bought them. They came in amazingly fast! Very nice and they fit perfectly! Think I'll wear them to work tomorrow.

Charlie

I would go out of my way to ensure it did not influence my decision.

In the past, I had a socks-and-sandals woman working for me. However, she was very good at what she did, and I promoted her. It has to be about the results.

We need the abilities of everyone who can produce, no matter what their fashion tastes are. Those who can't or won't produce can't be allowed to get by through other means. Work is not supposed to be a girlfriend farm or a sexual stimulant.

Agreed. Now in the case of a tie breaker...

Charlie

Knock out the owner.

I have to think that sooner or later the crew that intervene if things start to get out of hand aren't going to be able to get there fast enough and WHAM! LOL

Charlie

I'm not sure I'd classify them as "go anywhere". While definitely a men's shoe, I think with the white python design, they might be just as likely to attract attention as a women's black boot with a 3" heel. Of course, if you don't mind the attention, it's not a problem.

In retrospect, I think you might be right. It's okay though, that kind of attention I can easily handle. There's something about knowing it's actually a men's boot that gives me 'the power'. I know it sounds silly, but even someone as experienced as myself still gains confidence in knowing this. I've actually had men's shoes that straddle the line like this and when I changed to a more masculine styled women's boot the next day the wife has been know to say things like 'I really like those boots'. LOL

Charlie

The other day the wife came to my 'man cave' workshop to make a little trouble (in the fun way) and while she ran off, I took a shorter route and headed her off at the pass so to speak with my 4" heeled western boots. Intuitive improvisation is key when we have to run in heels! LOL Charlie

Isn't this type of programming attributed to people like Jerry Springer, Dr, Phil, and etc. They set up the situation to invoke contentious behavior on a public stage. Situations like these are from the lack of parental guidance when these people were young. They weren't properly prepared how to deal with life, because the adults they knew didn't deal with them either. Every person has to learn how to cope with problems when they are young in order to understand how to make the best decisions when they have the reigns or expectations of adulthood.

I'm going to have to say no, not exactly like the aforementioned shows. In the aforementioned shows, the people participating are selected beforehand and they're sought for their unusual behaviour with a good deal of prompting (I'm sure of) thrown in the mix as well. In the What-would-you-do-if show, the only thing staged are the actors and the situation. The general public who participate do so purely by chance. Now what can be manipulated here are the more ratings-grabbing reactions from the general public, which I'm sure is what we see every week. Regardless of this, these reactions are genuine and not contrived beforehand. Now as to what you say about those with the adverse reactions, yes, I agree totally with you. It's sad and there are SO many people who don't get the kind of emotional help we all need to prepare us for life.

Charlie

I believe in this day and age, most people would give a cross-dresser a quick glance and that would be it. All would go about their business. It sounds like in this TV show that the people running the show were just trying to create a situation and see where it would go from there. The sad thing is some people need just a little "push" to set something off inside of them to do something they otherwise might not do. Many riots are incited in this similar manner. Rule of thumb, complement people, don't insult them.

The situation they created was only unusual in that the actor who was playing the 'owner' of the estabishment came at the two crossdressers untypically aggressively IMHO. You're absolutely right in that it's exactly this kind of prompting that can easily ignite riots amongst those who are straddling between keeping vs. losing control of themselves. For those that can't find it within themselves to say something nice, it's best to say nothing at all. It's a time honored tradition amongst civilized folks. Great post roniheels!

Charlie

I'm thinking hard about these as a go anywhere ankle boot:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310278204132

I also wouldn't be upset if someone here beat me to the punch as I really don't need to spend the money at the moment with Christmas so close.. LOL

Charlie

I was watching this last night. It's a show similar to candid camera but it's a bit more serious in that they use actors out in public to create a controversial scene and then observe the reaction of the general public. We absolutely stereotype in our society! One of the scenarios was two crossdressers sitting down in a small cafe to have coffee. Both of course were actors as was the owner of the establishment. With the cafe relatively full of people, the 'owner' goes up to the two crossdressers and tells them quite openly that they ought to leave because they don't belong there and there are children there as well. He really goes on to 'bash' them. Most people remained silent, but there was one guy who actually got up and walked over to their table in SUPPORT of the 'owner'. It was disgusting! They did this several times with different groups and there was a very tenacious woman who took on the 'owner' and read him the riot act! God bless her! There was also a father with his two pre-teen daughters who spoke up and told the 'owner' that the crossdressers weren't bothering him or his girls at all. The little girl even spoke up and said that they have as much right as anyone else to be served. Maybe the future isn't so bad afterall? There's hope! I thought about what I would do? I think the coolest thing to do would be to ask them if I could join them and buy them a round of coffee or whatever they were having! No, I don't crossdress myself, but I absolutely believe in individual freedom! I might even engage the naysayers and ask them for their reasoning as to why what the crossdressers were doing was 'wrong'.. What would you all do? Charlie

I agree. No problems at all and they're nicely styled. I find that similar boots with up to a 3" heel garner no notice whatsoever. 3" heeled boots are my daily wear and I've been wearing them for years. Charlie

Would be nice to know why these women were showing "too much" interest.

How much is "too much" ?

(It is never too much from a women...)

Maybe they were showing interest for you as well ?

Next time this happens you may want to ask them why ?

The only thing I can think of here is when you want to be under the radar and an astute woman picks up on the shoes or boots and strikes up a conversation about them because it's not a big deal for her and it shouldn't be a big deal about the male wearer but both are within earshot of Billy-Joe-Redneck where anything but workboots IS a big deal?

Charlie

You know that is sort of, kind of what happened in the 70's during the disco era. Most stores were trying adjust to the new rage of high heeled platform shoes for men. I can remember when you had to go to a formal men's shoe store to find the old fashioned men's loafers and wingtips. Most stores carried different styles and heel heights of these trendy shoes for men. Sadly, when disco died, so did the fun men's shoes.

True and with the platform styles one didn't have to be as skilled as the overall foot angle was minimized. A few years ago here in the U.S. Aldo shoes attempted to resurrect platform shoes for men, but they stood alone and it just didn't take off. I bought several pairs but I alone couldn't start the entire trend. LOL

Charlie

Well.. with the U.S. students winding up in 25th place in mathematics on the world academics scoreboard despite spending more than anyone else on education, it looks like 'stupid' is getting a toe hold here. 'Stupid' is the fuel for events such as what's occured in London, and the irony is that this all DOES add up. We've proved that it's not possible to buy ourselves out of 'stupid' here.. It looks to me like the whole world has become too materialistic and with the worldwide recession putting a damper to the flow of goodies, it's resulting in a lot of pissed off people who have misplaced values. It's scary because the world was in a similar state of flux prior to the start of the second world war. Charlie

I'd have to say yes and no. There was a time when I tried elevator boots out and while they felt like a high heeled boot, I didn't care for them. I think the look of the boots on my feet counts for something. The elevator boot just looked like a regular old run-of-the-mill men's ankle boot. Charlie

I drive with my 4" heeled western boots with no noticeable difficulty whatsoever. Charlie

True. He was retired from the Belgian air force. I remember going to his old website and reading the announcement that he had there about having this done. He had facial reconstruction surgery to feminize his facial features as well. When I got to the pictures of the process being done, she looked great! I'd have never recognized him from the new her. She said she wouldn't be around anymore because wearing heels now wasn't a big deal anymore. I hope she's found true happiness for the rest of her days. Charlie

I'd be willing to believe that someone who's moved towards wearing heels may have motivations unknown to themselves at the beginning. I'm thinking of Hiluc here where he wore heels for many years as a guy and as he progressed moved to wearing skirts with them only to come to terms later in life that what he really wanted was to become a she. In this case though, I don't believe it was the skirt or the shoes that brought him to sexual reassignment. They just pointed the way down the road he was inevitably going to head down regardless. In my personal case, I love the feeling of wearing a 3" - 4" heeled boot and I like the looks of the boots as well but that's about it. I have no sexual interest in males whatsoever and much prefer to see woman who wear heels skillfully. I am constantly on the lookout for guys wearing heels though just for the curiosity factor. I've seen only one and they were what we'd call 'training' heels around here. LOL Charlie

That's not so much of a joke. There are plenty of towns here in the UK where PRECISLY that situation would arise....and it would most likely be teenagers - or even some adults.

Disgraceful....and pathetic.

Actually, that would likely occur where I live if I tried stilletos and showed the whole heel. I have more morons around me than I could shake a stick at.. Fortunately, I don't care for anything but a thick block heel and these are easily worn underneath the correct length of pants with no issues whatsoever.

Charlie

I really prefer to make as little sound as possible. While I dearly adore the sound any decent heels make on a hard surface I really have little desire to actually make that sound myself. Like most of we heelers I am "fine-tuned" to receive and recognize that luscious sound while I am well aware of the attention it elicits from me. On a deep level I have no desire to attract that kind of attention. My heels are for me -- for my enjoyment and sensation and not really for anyone else. If anybody else notices, that's OK but I don't really want to advertise "Hey I'm a guy wearing high heels!" Maybe this is significantly different from the reasons why women wear heels but that is quite irrelevant to my situation.

I know some of our members frown on this practice but I prefer to wear my heels under long pants, hidden from casual view. I am of the opinion that they are "my business", exclusively. I am not out to further a cause, nor to make a statement -- just to feel good. Happy feet = happy fellow. Further, I prefer wedges, at least for now because they are more discreet.

You just described me to a 'T'..

Charlie

I also used to read up on spook in the past (knew her from the Staylace site, and she used to have her own site spook.dk, which has been gone for years now). I can understand wanting to do something to the extreme, pushing yourself to the limits, sort of like she did with a 15 inch corseted waist and 24 hour ballet boots. But, I have to agree with some others in this thread, while its fascinating, perhaps even stimulating to an extent, I do not understand the desire to make such a drastic permanent change to yourself. You may really enjoy doing this now and perhaps even for the next few years, but eventually, it WILL cripple you. You will get to an age where you probably will not be able to walk at all anymore, you cannot ever go back, and that is where this baffles me. Sorry, I don't mean to be a downer, but anyway, best of luck in what you hope to do.

I believe Spook has taken it down several notches and has a much larger (comparatively speaking) corsetted waistline now. So many that I've seen like her go extreme and then back it down usually for health reasons. That's why permanent changes are so dangerous IMHO.

Charlie

http://www.hhplace.org/girls/15881-real_permanent_ballet_heels.html

I wonder what kind of a licensed practitioner would do this because it's so risky and frought with chances of infection? In this day of lawsuit shynness, I'd not have figured anyone would do this? Interesting.

Charlie

My wife tolerates it. Probably because I only wear boots that pass pretty well.

I am considering these at some point. So we'll see how that goes over.

I like those myself! I have a similar pair of Harley Davidson boots that I where everywhere. Very solidly built. Mine are in size 11.

Charlie