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Hey Johnnie, you're safe on base that time, eay. I do have to agree with you though. The opinions of those you care about should be considered. Ruth and you compliment each other well. I wish you both the best! Like Richie posted, you want the person you care about to be a part of your life and to accept who you are. If they are merely putting up with you, some time down the road the relationship will have nothing holding it together, because your desire for heeling will build a wall between you. Some how they feel like they're second place in your priorities, which is definitely not the truth. Society hasn't taught us to deal with such desires, because society doesn't want to teach about things they don't consider good for you to know. This same reasoning is not helping our teenagers from succumbing to their urges to experiment with life changing effects.

A few years ago, I was riding my bicycle to work early in the morning, while it was still dark. I had decided to wear my 4" stiletto heels. As fate would have it, I hit a rock or something the wrong way and landed on my side with legs and heels flying. Then as quickly as possible I regained an upright stance, reheeled, picked up the bike, and remounted. I didn't see the obstacle, because the traffic's headlights from both ways blinded my view right at that moment. I don't know if many saw the tumble or the fact I was high heeling, but it was still embarassing.

Today, I spent a little time looking back into some earlier posting mainly about our perception of what a man in heels should stand for or exemplify. There are some very intellectually brilliant individuals posting in the HHP and most of us guys are right up there, too. Often I find myself marveling over the many discussions, each with valid points of perception and insight. We are not an organization or institution of sorts, but we have a certain commonality of an excessively raised heel footwear and the importance of wearing our choice of foot adornments.

As to whether or not heeling will be accepted even in the near future is any body's guess, but when that time should come I expect that many of us will hardly notice the difference. That is if we will take the reigns of our lives and start incrementing some steps to our high heeling goals. Nothing is achieved by doing nothing. You have to methodically work at increasing the awareness of male heeling and your desire to be a heeler, especially in most situations where your family, friends, and associates think such an idea is unbecoming of the male persona. Wy, even in our ranks certain types of heels are considered too feminine to be worn by males. However, they kind of understand that it's an individual's choice or a personal right of preference. This same idea of a person's choice needs to go forth.

By the way, there are some things that you should to do before you try to convince anyone or everyone of your heeling desire.

1. Your demeanor has to be beyond reproach.

2. Good personal grooming and hygiene must be a regimented procedure.

3. You should become civically involved, whether in your neighborhood, community, various governmental aspirations, or other reputable causes, such as MADD, BACA, helping the homeless, and/or etc.

4. It wouldn't hurt, if you could raise your education level, either, along with everything else.

5. More importantly, you should be concerned about the well-being of people, including yourself. Show them you care. Volunteer when appropriate. A smile with a friendly hand is more appreciated.

Now, I have put together somewhat of a to-do list, but it probably needs some input of improvement or amending. Personally, I already have to put a lot of this into practice for I haven't measured up, yet.

I started with children's Mary Jane patent leather as a very young heeler, and now my enjoyment includes wearing 5" (within +/- 1.5", either way) high stiletto heeled pumps, with a variety of color and material options. I have basically stayed true to favoring the heeled court shoe design with no cut-outs, cut-aways, sling backs, "extended" pointy toes, or peep-holes. Stilettoes are definitely my first priority for high heels, but for medium to low heels, the tapered look is preferred. Platforms use to really drive me up a wall, because they looked so hideous. However, if they are done with certain perimeters, like not overshadowing or becoming the shoe, I can now accept them. Also, I have come to accept an occasional design applying straps, buckles, pleats, and/or bows that give the heels a more delightful presence, but that would depend on my thinking at the time I see them. I have a few boots, but I got them to settle some of my curiosities about boots and can't seem to lean toward their use as much as the courts. Most of us male heelers have so much to experience, because of our feeling the need to be so secretive about our desire in this social atmosphere. The time may not be to far off when male heelers will be able to walk the walk and talk the talk. (I know it's a bit Seventy-ish! Dig it!) We got to prepare for the opportunities!

It may be a self-perception and my perception doesn't let me give the extra long pointy toed heels a favorable review most of the time, especially on high heeled court shoes. The needle nose may be all right on some flat to medium heeled shoes, the well known cowboy boots, and etc., however, to extend a shoe's appearance when the purpose of wearing high heels is to shorten aesthetic look of the feet, the lengthy pointed toes are defeating that purpose.

I agree with Ninanoora that the shoes are designed a bit hideously. The heels are so straight up the back, they are not pleasing to look at. Yes LailaLily, injuries can happen. If the shoes don't fit well and you're not use to wearing that height, the likelihood of an injury is greater, but not necessarily imminent. We take a risk of getting hurt or seriously injured every day, but to live in fear of what might happen is worst than the actual damage that could be possible. We can keep a defensive and/or offensive mind to live a better life. Keep heeling and have fun!

I've found that most of Pleasers 6" heels are really 5.5" or less depending on the size.

I have taken many a spill on winter's ice, and each time I got up as soon as I could to check out if I had any injuries or damaged clothing. It's embarrassing any way, but in heels! You are still there, what else can you do? Pass the hat for donations? Say something funny? Do it again and tell everyone you were just practicing. Tell them it was fun and they ought try it. Then quietly slither away to message or tend your areas of impact, providing you didn't fracture or injure a bodiliy part. Not to mention scratch your heels, eeeeuuuuu!

Hey Guy N Heels,

Maybe the poll should have considered the angle or slope of the sole between the ball joints of the toes and the back end of the footed heel as to what is considered the minimum height for the label of a high heel.

Without taking measurements but using examples, I will illustrate my point.

A size 6 US Womens has a considerable shorter sole than the size 11 US Womens. So the slope of the size 6 sole to be considered a high heel would be acheived in a relatively shorter distance than the slope of the size 11 sole. Therefore, a 3" heel in a size 6 would feel like a 6" heel in a size 11 with the same slope (not an accurate calibration). Like wise a size 11 with a 3" heel would feel like a 1.5" in a size 6 (again, not accurate).

Of course some people have greater flexibility in their foot adjustments which causes a variation to this model, but like you have stated, you want to know what is the minimum height to be consider a high heel. Depending on the size increase, the minimum height will also increase. Therefore, a particular slope has to be the common usage here for that minimum label.

Evidently, the article was aimed at women who wear heels, because of the status of our world, does not acknowledge male heelers, as of yet. The jest of the article is saying that those (men and women) who wear heels are more proned to be healthier because wearing high heels help to tone the legs and strengthen the pelvic muscles, therefore lessens the possibility of strain and increases the probability of having more enjoyable sex. Heelers are also more conscious about good posture, which is also decreases the strain factor.

I have also spent time in the presence of such counsellors. With all their learning and mental tools, they keep trying to replace who the person is inside, instead of embracing their differences and see what common ground there is to work with. They also keep applying the old social dogma of the manmade ideals in their mindwashing exercises. The mind changing or controlling profession needs to become more in tune with who people are and quit trying to make a person into some social ideal that doesn't fit their personality. Life is hard enough to live without trying to be another's idea of what perfection is. That doesn't mean we shouldn't incorporate the things we feel would make life more manageable and worthwhile or help us become a better person, but it has to be our choice.

Like the others, I was a bit sadden when I realized the chronology, but I wonder if this article is that much off the mark. There are so many men that want wear heels but are afraid of the social back lash they would have to endure. I really am happy for those who have a soulmate to share their love for heels with. It goes to show their is hope for the rest of us. Hope is what dreams are made of. Dreams are the driving force for us all. May we never have to surrender them. Thanks for your input and thinking about us!

Hey thedesigner, Yup! When we are too old to remember much of any thing, we will still be able to walk with a good posture, because we are heelers. Now where did I put aaaaaaaaaaah? Oh, I got them on. Have a good week!

Hi! SarahLou, Recently, I bought some heels that looked great, but I had to send them back because the toe box was way too tight for the area around my toe ball joints. The fit of the pumps would have been superb, otherwise. As to the sexiness of a shoe, alot has to do with your perception and to whom you want to let catch you. The heel you're looking for could be in your closet already. Many of us guys would be head over heels for our mate or gf to wear a plain high stiletto pump in a color of your choosing. Of course, I prefer the patent look, but you might have an idea that would please both of you better. Good Luck in your search!

Hey RPMindy, The kind of heels you posted by Highest Heel fits the defined micro heel scenario. Are the metal parts screw in replaceable or are they permanently attached by the manufacturing process or by an epoxy? Some may have thinner exposed metal shafts and/or be of different heights than the ones you have depicted. I would only assume the taller ones would have the perceptible bending, as LailaLiliy posted, but I have seen regular stiletto heels of 6" to 7" heights kind of buckle as they were worn. Usually, they're made with hardened metal to resist bending or breaking, but that doesn't mean that over time the stress factor of just walking won't cause the heel to become disfigured (bent), if not broken. By then though, the wearer is already on to another pair that has caught their fancy.

Thanks for posting this article, Amanda Snake

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Better for your health, better for your sex life, and better to renew your pelvic pleasures. Hard to believe that we're talking about wearing high heels, but recent studies reverse the old negative publicity which blasted those staples of everyday women's existence...studies which blamed high heels as a cause of bad posture, stress fractures and other injury. Now they're just the cure for failing sex drives according to a recent study published in the journal, European Urology. And just the cure for admiring men as well as consumer women.

Opening the controversy is Dr.Maria Cerruto, a researcher and urologist at Italy's University of Verona. Cerruto, who expresses a great affection for such shoes, claims that high heels (also known as "stilettos" in Italy), tone the legs and strengthen the all- important pelvic muscles. Just wearing these shoes would, in effect, replace much of the need for the pelvic exercises necessary to keep the pelvic area musculature healthy.

She studied 66 women under the age of 50, and discovered that women who held up their feet at a 15 degree angle to the ground, the physical equivalent of a two inch, or moderate heel, showed up to 15 per cent less electrical activity in their pelvic muscles. This leads to the conclusion that these same muscles are more relaxed, when the woman is wearing the heels than not wearing the heels, increasing muscular strength and the ability to contract. Physiologically, the pelvic muscles are responsible for sexual performance and satisfaction. Less electrical activity means more relaxation, and more relaxation translates into better sex according to Dr. Cerruto. And better health.

Unspoken, but obviously related, is the fact that this unintended exercise and relaxation of the pelvic muscles is far more amenable to the boring, jarring and often hazardous pelvic exercises dished out as therapy to women getting over their pregnancy or surgery. If the exercise is suitable, then, the woman is more likely to exercise, just like anyone else. And if the regimen of merely wearing these suddenly medicinal fashion accessories leads to better health, women will not complain. And, of course, neither will admiring men.

Admiring men will continue to admire, with the logical extension that women desire admiring men and will wear the shoes more, hence exercising more. High heels are a broad and very ancient acceptable fetish in fashion and art. They seem to traverse all cultures and income levels, are depicted with great regularity in magazines, stocked widely in stores, and sell very well, regardless of the vogue otherwise.

Now they are seen as very healthy for exercise of the same sexual urges and practices which teased them into popular existence. Remember those high heels can cause foot, ankle, knee and back problems. They are not for everyone, especially those women with a history of ankle sprains, bad knees, bad hips and backs.

All in all, a very happy circumstance for men and women. Just what the doctor ordered, and not unpalatable medicine at that.

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It's about time and I know there are going to be rebuttals to this article, but at least some in the field of medical science have stepped up (yes it's punny) and finally correlates a bit of the benefits of wearing high heels, we heelers have been experiencing for some time. Although, we have been inundated by the media, by the podiatrist reports, and etc. with the possible injurious effects of heeling, most of us didn't have them or took steps (punny again) to find styles that didn't continue to cause the adverse effects. Furthermore, most of us have heeled since our teenage years and are living proof of the heeling benefits. I'm sorry there are some people who do experience the negatives with the wearing of high heels and their grievances are duly noted. Just the same, the rest of us shouldn't have to be considered as inflicting tourcher upon ourselves by heeling. Infact for me, wearing high heels has been a pure delight even in the process of finding the right fit in the styles I wanted to wear.

Micro heels? After a short search on line, I found that it looks alot like the valve stem of an automobile engine or a roofing nail with the head tapering onto the shaft to form somewhat of a large cone at the top of the nail. The original look of high heels also tapered down from the top, but they did it gradually so that the taper had a more concave styling and it involved more of the total stiletto heel. Also the micro had a slender shaft that seems to be perpendicularly centered in the heel area, while the originals had the shaft located perpendicularly closer to the area considered the front of the heel. The original styling of high heels is more pleasing to the gracefulness of a shoes design, than the straight pole appearance of the micro heel. If the heels were bending as much as you say, then most likely they won't last very long and the person wearing them will have put more effort into their walk than usually neccesary.

The clicking of the stiletto heels is one of the really powerful sounds in today's active environments. Actually, it's not the sound exactly, it's like an alarm or an alert signal for those who have been conditioned by years of experience to anticipate certain views as to what is causing the sound before the reality sets in. If you don't know what everyone is anticipating, then you better start becoming more sociable around places that tends to get a lot of high heel traffic. As someone has already mentioned, on this thread even, men have been known to wear shoes that can mimic the sound of high heels, but these were the mundane monotonous styled male shoes with hard plastic lifts that sent out those clicking sounds. However, it has opened an alternative expectation that has lessened the once thought to be only possible result upon hearing the clicking of heels. So, go ahead quys and wear those heels. You are somewhat expected to make the clicking sounds too. If I have to pick between stilettoes and wedges, most of the time stilettoes would be my choice. Wedges are fine, but stilettoes have the styling that better suits me.

Seems to me that a lot of these women need guy's like us.

If both of us desire to have and wear many pairs of high heels, who puts on the breaks before the money runs out?

We heelers are probably more conscious about the way we walk and how it looks than most any one else. Won't it be wonderful when we only have to be concern with is putting them on, enjoying our travels, and possibly receive compliments on our coordinated appearance?

Tanith, Thanks for the good pizza and being able to be with a person who has the same basic feelings about heeling. You must let me somehow return an equal monetary renumeration later though. Yes, it was a bit awkward and may be I should not have worn heels, so that our comfort zone might have been more pleasant. The loudness of the music didn't help to ease our ability to converse, either. Perhaps our next outting should be an activity that gives us a little more opportunity to talk without feeling we have to compete with the audio background, not that the restaurant wasn't a pleasant place to be, if we had little to discuss. How are you at miniture golf or is there another activity that you would favor, like mall window shopping?

Hello again, I just got off the phone to a friend, and we were talking about shoes..he's a cross dressing guy, and was talking about what shoes he likes to wear etc. and then he proceeded to say that you have to have a certain body type for heels,he said, andi quote ''thin and spindly'' is the only right body shape for heels. I have never heard of this before, or thought anything of body shape in relation to heels. Do any of you think there is any truth in this at all?

This thread has become very enlightening. After all the measurements, perspectives, opinions, and experiences each person can only choose from their own personality and physical aesthetics the look that best suits them. Not everyone has the knowledge to coordinate their appearance, but that may be a good thing, because we can discern a better or more appropriate style for ourselves. We men haven't really had to coordinate an extensive wardrobe like most every women has learned to deal with. I welcome the challenge and hopefully the more experienced ones will help those of us who are lacking in this area. Be critical of my physical persentation, but admire the achievement I have portrayed. My desire to wear "heels" is a "personally me" thing. The other benefits of wearing them are wonderful to experience, but even without the extras, stilettoes will always be in my choice of desired footwear. My shape may not be pleasing to everyone, but I am the one who has to look in the mirror and determine what looks best by who I am.

Hey Tanith, I didn't see your PM & tread messages until around 10 AM this morning. At the entrance of the Pie Pizzeria sounds good. I will be waiting there, at least in my vehicle a little before 4:00 PM, Sunday. I'm (timidly) really looking forward to personally talk with someone who has similiar desires and concerns for wearing high heels. If you get this message before 3:00, please verify or we can consider another time. Till then!

Hey tanith, Thanks for your reply! Pizza sounds good. What are the cross streets close to that location? Let's do it! Time (preferrably in the afternoon)? Meet inside or parking lot? It is suppose to be stormy this weekend, but we could still meet and scarf down some pizza. Looking forward to this!

Thanks Thighboots2 for putting this topic in front of us, as you have. We seem to talk about a lot of "fluff" most of the time in this forum, which has its place and brings a little humor and a degree of entertainment to the very serious intent of this high heel forum. However, the activation of your point is basic to any kind of success for male heeling acceptance. As you have pointed out, there is no right or wrong in wanting to wear the footwear that makes you happy. What others think won't change at all, if they can only reference their views using the recognized perversities and societal attitudes that are now in place. Public perception will only change when honorable and respectable men and women everywhere, who support and/or accept the idea of men wearing high heels, voice their opinions. fastfreddy2 has a very valid point in not rocking the boat so violently that we should be considered total idiots and loose whatever credibility we have in the social positions we hold, with those we know, and those who know us. So there has to be a time of preparation before the acceptance of male heeling would even have a chance to achieve the public spotlight. Like many of those who are publicly open in their heeling, more of us who are not as open, have to be willing to cleverly bring up or insert the idea of male heeling while talking with our friends and associates. If we can keep the subject on the public conscience, the better are the prospects. We also have to prepare our skills in dealing with the public attitudes as they are presented while we are out (heeling or not) among those who don't understand or are not of the same thought as we are. This can't be a stagnant concern, it has to be an active consideration to notify the world. With so many other things that our world is involved with, heeling has to be hoisted up so that it won't be trampled over and dismissed. Has any one in this forum got the skills to promote such a public awareness agenda? Even getting a moment in some television forum or even something like highheels has done. Is there a way an accessment or a type of news clip about today's male heeling could be inserted into a magazine, newspaper, talk radio setting, or television interview segment? Has Oprah, Tyra, or the like considered such a discussion or have they been approached to consider it?