Histiletto

Most of all these subjects mentioned as new topics to cover have been posted to some endless degree in other threads and the subjects like Jerry Springer would bring up usually have little to add, because he deals with the absurd and base desires of society. That is not to say there isn't anything worth noting from the likes of the Springers, it just that there should be more positive spins to human behavior. We all know how to be angry and show our hatred and prejudice. Learning to work together is more rewarding than the over used criticizing and the displays of bigotry. We rehash these topics because they are always in our faces. As we continue the quest to spread high heeling for all that choose to do so, let us continue to join together in the common feelings heeling does for each and every one of us.

If your going to insist on going down slopes to steep for your heels to negotiate, learn how to fall gracefully or get someone for some physical support. You could even take up the sport of rappelling. Just make sure your rope is secured properly. That sounds like a fun outing for high heelers. It could even get some notoriety. HUM!

It's flats, stocking, hosiery, or barefeet with high heels in hand until you reach the relatively level area or walk down backwards on the slope. Of course, you could slide down on your bum or learn how to tumble acrobatically in heels. This sounds kind of fun or at least challenging.

I agree lorriette. The title should read: "Are High Heel Wearers Masochists?" In my quest to wear high heels, I have collected quite a few pair and some of them fit a little uncomfortably especially after I have been wearing them for a long period of time, but they still look fantastic. So, I take intervals of rest periods and continue to wear them. Now, according to this thread, I'm masochistic when I put looking good over comfort. This may be true for some of my heels, but this is not true for those that look great and fit comfortably also. When the heels fit and they look great, but the quality of the shoes are substandard, these can be more than masochistic, they can be hazzardous your immediate well-being. They take more concentration to walk in because the sturdiness of the heel is now a questionable factor. It may slide out from under when setting your foot down causing you to fall, trip, stumble, or injure the foot, an ankle, a knee and/or etc. The heels are even more likely to brake off.

HUM! Greek mythology, EY? Got any mermaids or centaurs?

This whole tread discussion has to do with what everyone has become accustommed to by their social up-bringing. All the speculation as to what is what by the gender label is a bogus identity based on superficial claims there are no such beings as femininity in men and masculinity in women. Well, I ask you, have you ever known any one with these dominant traits in these two gender identities, as described? In the English language there are reference to these types of individuals when the words like sissy (males) or tom-boy (females) are used. Therefore, the concept of gender has no real merit except for the mind-set we have been brainwashed with. Men and women have differences by nature and I applaud that, but they also have similarities that make them individual human personalities of equal importance. Heels are another type of footwear to be chosen by those who prefer that styling of foot adornment. They have to be constructed or made. Of its-self there is no preference as to who will have their use. The perceptional use is socially determined, but can be swayed by revamping social acceptance or tolerance.

Hi! thedesigner, Are you offering to entrepreneur a match making environment for heelers? The concept of heeling together as man and wife or S/O is a relationship most all heelers dream of being in. Some have achieved it. However, I think there needs to be more of a social concensus toward the acceptance of male heelering before this can be successful as a viable opportunity. The acceptance factor would sure make many of those who are already in a secure relationship easier to deal with.

t-strap lover, I can relate to your story quite well, for I haven't known a time when I didn't have a yearning to wear "feminine" shoes. There have been times when I tried to follow the social attitude and put them out of my mind or resist wearing them, but that only made me want to wear them more intensely. It's too bad that society doesn't recognize these type of yearnings from males. They think only females have these feelings and when males exhibit these kind of feelings, the males are marked as deranged or perverted. Let's keep heelin' so we can prove society doesn't know what it's talking about and soon our thoughts can be freed to consider more than the importance of our footwear. Yes we will be able to possibly help people, environment, or world to a better solution than what seams to be the answers we're stuck with now.

Thanks roniheels I have purchased many of the available vintage pump stylings, but one or two out of quite a lot have had the "A" line design. To clearify, the A-Line vamp design got its name from the styling of the toebox area looking alot like a capital A when it is viewed by the wearer. It's not a majorly different design from the common rounded vamp design, but it caught my fancy the few times I have seen it.

Like many of you, I have never known what it is like not to have the desire to wear feminine shoes. My first remembrance of my life was when I was around two years old and I was expressing anger because my sister was wearing the Mary Jane patent shoes I wanted to wear. At that age, possession or ownership did not apply. I knew what I wanted and they didn't let me. So a couple of months later, when my sister had to get another size, I saw my chance to have them and nothing was going to keep me from them. Sorry to report that I wore them until they could no longer be classified as wearable for anyone, but OH what a joy I had while I was wearing them. Having to throw them away was a very sad departure for me, but what came later was even more tramatic. I was hit between the eyes with the realization of the societal attitude toward males wearing feminine styled shoes and I couldn't change my desire or need to wear them. So I learned to put on a false front and admire from afar, taking short opportunities where I could, to the chagrin of my parents and siblings, especially my sister. Now, returning to the thread's subject, I'm of the opinion parents need to be aware and counsel with their children according to the maturity of each child. Also with a broad brush, children should not wear heels with a slope greater then five degrees before they have had time for their feet to mature. You may say children wear mommies heels when their playing, but their little feet really aren't raised by the toebox area. A slope of eight degrees or low heels may be attained after a few years of elementary schooling, but this is a parent's call. Usually, wearing mid heels would probably be all right during the years of grades 6 to 8. High heels should be deferred untill after they have finished the stages of puberty and/or graduate to nineth grade. Even then a heel higher than three and a half inches must be an occasional option and not the daily wear.They should also be able to show how well they can walk in them, before going out into public activities, so they should have the opportunity to practice or, more appropriately thought of as, wearing their heels around the house in the family environment. The effects of high heels on them and others should also be a well understood topic, so that they might be prepared to do what is best for all the given situations. This is a general outline and may vary with the individual growth spurts children are known to experience. In these cases, extra care needs to be applied so that the child doesn't wear the higher slopes before their body has adjusted to their new growth, which may tend to be a time of awkwardness in balance and dexterity.

You must understand that if you have an accident your insurance will almost certainly be invalidated if it is found that you were wearing heels.

Maybe I'd better talk with my insurance carrier and see for sure about such limitations and also to see if there is a double standard. I may have to find another carrier.

I have thought of a spare pair of shoes to take care of emergencies or what ever, but haven't done it yet. I'm kind of in the same mind as crotchboots-m, but I can now see a possible need for the extra pair. Thanks!

Hey Johnieheel & Ruthheel, You both have the envy of most every one at least in this forum. A good relationship needs constance reassurance and it sounds like you both are committed to each other. Congratulations and continued best wishes. I would also like to read about your evening with Jim and his wife. When you are publicly heeling with friends, do they show any inclination to also heel along?

That is an interesting statistic, Dan J and roniheels! Then again how many heelers have hidden their desire from a SO. That statistic will be forever left to the abyss. One would think that this topic of male heeling would have a greater part in the curriculum of human behavior with so many incidences being news worthy and with so many of our maturing populous having to deal with so many things that don't fit what they are being told about who and what they are.

Does she even know about the HHP forum? Well, there's another thing she has to look forward to, but as for now I hope she does well. At least she is trying.

Thanks for your postings,

I concur with most of what you all have said. It is my choice!!!!

The thing that irked me to post this thread is there were those who were discussing that stilettoes should not be worn by guys because they were too feminine looking. So, what if they are! There is just as much feminine taste in me as there is masculine abilities in women. If we could be together right now, you would note that I have dominant male features and gestures, but within me there is a desire to wear certain feminine styled footwear. Where this desire came from is what has been a part of the traits that make me whole. Am I addicted or fetished as society has named it? No worse than any male that has a bunch of tools or a fleet of classic cars they hardly ever use or any female who has a collection of dresses, hats, shoes, and/or cars and etc. that haven't been seen since she bought them.

Now, the reason for prohibiting my wearing of feminine heels, because I am a male and I am not suppose to have these desires, is a societal crock that we can't quit feeding into. Do I need high heels to sustain life? Well, at this point that could be debated (as I strut before a public forum in my 5" stiletto black patent court shoes). On a more serious note, obviously I can function without them, however, my being craves to feel again and again the ecstatic Utopian environment (I know, it's a bit much, but go with it. OK!) I have felt while wearing them, especially when someone passes by or enters my awareness wearing one of my desired styles. (I'm picturing the cartoon of the smartly dressed for the 1950's era wolf gawking with his eyes bulging and tongue hanging out at a high heeled lady he just noticed.) OK! I wouldn't be that obvious, but the feelings would be.

Some how this mindset of gender has to be revamped or redefined. People are who they are and they should decide their personal look or attire. No one else has the right to dictate the agency of another in the matters of personal choices, as society has assumed and usurped. This has been said so many times before, but the practice or installation doesn't seem to be sinking in. I'm also struggling to make this knowledge apart of my existence and programming. We can be opinionated to the nth degree, but that doesn't give us the right to force others to adhere or even agree. We can advise or counsel, but forcing someone into following or accepting is a choice you can't make for them. The principle of personal agency ends at the point another person is. Rules and laws are set up for our physical interaction with others. There should be no restrictions regulating personal matters that doesn't physically affect someone else, except for the rules in ones conscience. If another person becomes offended, the offense is the problem of the offended, and not the person who made a choice and was perceived to offend. (Need any more about offending? HUM!) That's depending on if you perceived the offense. Dry? HUM!

We have all been given or have attained a certain level of intellect. Without our propensity to wear high heels, we would have had less of a chance to know this piece of life and I am not talking just to the guys here. Being able to know about or experience as much as we choose to grasp of what life has to offer is as much as anyone should expect. I hope our world can and will mature enough to return or make it easier to obtain those opportunities. (I'm setting down now!)

Trolldeg, If you can have a friend draw a line around your feet outlining them while you are standing with your feet flat on some paper. Afterwards, measure the lengths, such as longest total length, the back of heel to the beginning of the toe area, length of the longest toe, widest part of your feet, and any other measurements, like circumferences, you think would be helpful for the making of the shoes/boots you want. Your usual shoe EU/UK/US size that fits best. Include this information as you order or in a direct e-mail. I got a pair of Ernest heels about a year ago through internet ordering. Since then, they have changed many of their selections. Their quality is high and they try to work with you to find your size. Good luck and happy heelin'!

I understand the concern for being pulled over and having to get out while wearing heels, but I can't understand the remarks made about driving in heels. To me car heeling is no different than wearing flats while operating a vehicle, except you have to be more careful about marring the finish of your heels on the debris in the car's carpet or pad.

Hey Tanith, Good to hear from you and that you completed your project. May be when the weather gets warmer, we can have another activity. Till later, take care.

Thanks Dan J, I figured it would be in something like the social sciences, but it would probably a short part of the days lecture and then dropped until the final exam asking about the erotic behavior of males. Hey Dr. Shoe, Yeow! Male heeling has to be a part of a shoe design course, at least from now on as we make a more indelible impression as customers in the market place. The selection over the internet verifies the fact of the increasing sales of heels for men. How many of the mainstream advertisement are there that specifically address high heels for men?

Like Magickman and Newfie, many have a good handle on their heeling preference and I want to commend all of you for your efforts. It just irked me to think that I shouldn't wear certain types of heels, due to the fact that some types weren't considered "manly". This is the misguided argument society has been using to keep males from wearing any high heels at all. Here's the proof our social programming is very much apart of how we perceive what looks are good for others, instead of butting out and letting others choose for themselves. Again, I'm not saying we should not continue to have our opinions and express them in a spirit of advice and help when asked, but that is the limit of our personal space verses other's space.

ShockQueen, Your words ring of truth, but why, even in this forum, is there a sense stilettoes and spikes are inapprooriate for menswear?

Has any one taken a class any where, that discusses males wanting to wear high heels and etc.?

There are a pletora of opinions and preferences as to which type and height of heels should be worn by guys, even in this forum. After hearing (reading) the calls that everyone should live and let live, I continue to get a sense there are a great many here, who still consider the stiletto and spike heels inappropriate for the manly wardrobe. Why does the design of the heel direct who should wear it, rather than the choice of the person wearing them?

I wear 5.25" high stiletto Mary Jane Pumps with .5" hidden platforms and almond shaped toes under boot-cut jeans.

WOW! Flying penquins? I wonder how long it takes them to migrate between poles? By the way what is the name of the place they congregate at the North Pole? Was it chek pleeze or ebony tucks?