Histiletto

I almost have you guys figured out now.

Maybe soon I can find some other internet forum to dig around in and analyse.

Amanda, you are quite right! We are not hard to figure out. Maybe it's because most of us are lousy prevaricators and prefer not to, and also we are forthright in our dealings. If we could have straight-way confronted the idea of heeling with out sending everyone else into a tizzy, especially our wife, we would have done it long ago. However, society has been taught a certain attitude about men in heels, as you know. In order to restore this individual right of choice, we are put in a defensive position which usually causes contention with our families, public opinion, and yes - even ourselves.

Thanks for the insights you have brought to this forum. I hope you will continue to return often even though we are no real challenge. You have an insight for male heeling that many aren't willing to even consider.

Giving into the purpose of exhibition is not my intent or nature, if that is part of your definition to "work it", at least not until there might be some demand for guys to do so. The posture and countenance I have when wearing heels gives me a greater feeling of stature and prominence. With the comparable slope of four and a half inch heels, my steps aren't as long as in flats, but they are just as intense and more deliberate. When shopping or just out for a stroll, I take an easier, leisurely stride. Like WA10rHeelGUY, there are times when I too walk softer to be less intrusive into given environments, but running in heels requires some prior experience and practice. For me, if I can breakout in a full sprint using my ankles and toes to propel my advancement, instead of the heels, I can run fairly good. The hard part is ending the run. You have to continue to balance all your weight on your toes, until the gait is slow enough for the heels to support the action.

Like most of us, I didn't know him personally and only saw his influence on the fashion market. Although he was retired for the last 6 years, his designs will continue to echo his immortal praise for years to come.

The label of things change depending on those who perceive it. For instance, the word "gay" has a whole different connotation than it started out with. You know the background of heels from the 16th century. Alot of jobs can no longer be catagorized under a man's or a woman's, because both have integrated the others workforce. Even the home life isn't always having the man as the bread winner for a few men have chosen the position of Mr. mom while the wife has the ability to bring in the financial support needed.

Up untill the 1940's, some of the playwear that boys and girls could wear was the same basic clothing, which included a cap, shirt, trousers, high tops or for dressier occassions the Mary Jane styled shoes. Somehow, adult groups got convinced that there should be more of a division in what the children should be able to wear, due to the ideas of sissifying or tomboying children. Therefore, this started the movement that boys couldn't wear anything of what a girl was allowed and the girls were also suppose to not wear the male identity in proper circles. Well, here we are six decades later. Women have crossed that line without hardly a raised eyebrow and men haven't had the mind or guts to challenge this inequality, because they don't want to bring to light the true identity of the male persona. Instead we have the programmed social ideals of what being "the man" is, which neglects the softer (feminine) talents and abilities of most men.

O.K., I have stepped on my soap box again. I have also entertained the thought that men are "the manly ideal" society has standardized, but there are enough of us to know some men have the desire to wear high heels too. So, society is still not acknowledging the versatile beings people are.

So to define "girlie", I would have to say it is the actions of a female. Likewise, "boyish" would be the actions of a male. This doesn't mean they both can't do the same thing. It's just that they both have the ability to do the same action or display. Preventing them from achieving their abilities is stopping them from being the best at who they are. Therefore, you will get substandard outputs by forcing them to hide the parts of what makes them tick. A mind occupied with secrets can't give a full measure of concern to other things at all times. As a result, the best may not be achieved or even thought of, limiting the possiblities for the best outcome.

I couldn't help but steal this quote from another thread.

(patent heel I sincerely hope you're not offended)

Are you wishing perhaps to create for yourself, an image that you consider beautiful and arousing by dressing your legs in this fashion?.

I wondered if this is often the case for you guys who are sexually straight but enjoy wearing heels around in private....or even in public?.

Just me trying to understand again.

Thanks patent heel for your interesting insight

A xx

Yes! Thanks patent heel and Amanda for highlighting this subject and post.

Would this also be true for anyone who has seen a pair of heels, hat, sports eyewear, dress, jeans, wig, belt buckle, and/or etc., whether in the shop, on the street, or just being worn at some function. The beholder begins to wish and imagine how they, their husband (or wife), g/f or b/f, or even S/O would look wearing them. Due to the fact male heeling has yet to be fully open, there will be behind the scene activities like patent heel posted. I am willing to speculate, this kind of practice is probably more widely done in varing degrees by a lot of people, men and women. How about that Gucci purse or scarf you saw and wanted, for an example?

When I see or visualize a particular high heel, or anything for that matter, that is with in my priority of desire, I want to possess the same modeled item or set, so that I will have a or another choice. Am I peculiar in this way of thinking or do others have these same thought patterns?

Welcome to the forum, Mason.

As I have posted before, the mere hint of high heels with in my parameter of acknowledgement set my mind into a wild treasure expedition. This may be because of the anticipation for who has been wearing high heels as a rule, so far. However, like Shrimper has posted, enjoy the fleeting time as it exists, store it in your memories when it's gone, move on, and find your own high heels. Even the like ones you have in your memory, should you be so inclined.

NOTE: This is directed at no one in particular, but if it fits, apply it.

The important thing is that you keep your obessions in check and in perspective. The individuals who wore the heels are people just like you, who are living, breathing, making choices, and wanting their importance to stay intact. We have to be guardians against those who would take advantage of others without consent for personal gradification and prejudice.

I'm along with Amanda, your horizon wasn't very far from the men's line. They may have labelled it women's wear, but they look like regular penny loafer styling to me that men have worn since I can remember, because they are comfy and they slip on. Girls wore them also for the same reasons. Come to think of it, the penny loafer were the unisex shoes of the 50's. As crotchboot-m sez, if you like them and etc.

Annoyed! OOOhhhh! When the term "crossdresser" is used for a guy wearing menswear from the women's line of apparel and footwear. I have purchased a few women's pant suits that looked like men's suits and no one seemed to be the wiser, because they fit so well. When women's footwear will fill the need just as well as men's, and the cost is the same or lower than the men's, the women's footwear will be probably be taken to the purchase counter. I have heard women make the same type of claim concerning men's clothing, as to fitting them better. Just because the label signifies a targeted wearer, it doesn't mean that garment or footwear won't fit out of the label's aim. If you like the item and it fits, there should be no reason you shouldn't wear it to enhance your perception of how you want to look. Of course as usual, there are limits. Women's bikini outfits may fit somewhat on men, but what would the thong part keep hidden? So, I don't see the need for the thong of a bikini at all on men. The bra part is just there anyway or it may be there to support ones cleavage, and there are a few men who could and should use them as we all know.

Yup! crotchboots-m, You are most likely right in the assumption that our heeling, will be limited to certain functions, unless we want to be impressive (for good or bad) or stand out at non-functional heeling events or gatherings. However, we had better expect to disgard our footwear afterwards, because we will probably sustain enough damage to render the heels unwearable for the socially appropriate heeled meetings or groupings. Never-the-less, it will be great to make those kind of choices without having to be defensive while so engaged in high heel travels to whatever the event.

It actually depends on the pitch of the shoe or more accurately the last on which it's made. If it has a pronounced arch, then you could well find that it feels flatter than a shoe with the same height with no curvature to the arch. The comfort factor of the shoe plays a part too.

Dr. Shoe,

Do any of the manufactures of the higher heeled footwear for the general public offer good arch support as a rule? Most of the heels I see on the market now day have the arch area of the shoe so straight, that the foot literally can slide off the heel and the wearer would not know the difference except for the huge gap of open space from the back of the shoe to the heel of the foot or the scrunching of the toes. Even looking at them being worn by others, makes me wonder how much longer those people can endure the pain.

I'm finding that if a high heel doesn't have the curvature for the arch, the shoes are much harder to walk in for any length of time and they don't seem to stablize or support me as I walk.

Just to follow up this thread and give a bit of conclusion..

After much searching and enquiring about I came to a blank as to being able to get a pair of these shoes. Bebe returned with "To ensure that our merchandise is unique, we offer limited quantities, and often these items are not re released" and Dolce Vita...didn't hear back from them.

Then all of a sudden a couple of pairs appeared on Ebay in the States and thus my GF is now a proud owner of a pair. She is dead chuffed with them as (in her words) "make her feet look smaller". I was dead chuffed as they were a.brand new b. cheaper than the release price and also think they look mint!

Anyway I think they are great, she thinks they are great and now wants a black pair....

Anyway a pic is attached and a thanks to all who helped...

I am happy you were able to find some on Ebay. What is the meaning of the word "chuffed"? I have never seen or heard it before.

I have also enjoyed my Dolce Vita and Bebe Rio-8 Mary Jane Hidden Platform Pumps. They are very comfortable and easy to walk in, even though the heels are quite high (about 13cm) and the hidden platform is about 1.25cm which means the heel is effectively about 11.75cm high.

I have seen this shoe made of all black patent leather, but I can't seam to find a pair in my size, at least right now. Hopefully, they will be on the market again soon.

There is an attitude that men can not be themselves when they wear heels. As a heeler also, I can identify with those who disagree with this latter statement, if this is all that is remembered while reading when it was used in my former post. Certainly, we know that wearing heels is just another preferred choice we have for our footwear. They don't change us from being who we are. The reference of the mentioned statement is to the people who can't grasp the concept that men are as able to wear heels as anybody. Those lacking this perspective for male heelers, consider us to be degrading masculinity and femininity for putting them together, as they see it. Until society realizes footwear of any kind doesn't have a gender preference, except in their socially biased attitudes, male heelers will have to continue to watch their steps. You can't deny that you aren't concerned every time you are heeling that something will happen to remind you of what those around might be thinking, because of your heeling. (This is what is in my head.) It takes a lot of self-motivation and positive thinking to endure or carry on in social situations. Of course, there are the possibilities of motivating those males who also want to heel publicly, but don't want to break the mold on their own. The more male heelers are seen, the easier it gets toward acceptance. That doesn't mean the path will be easy even then, but I really would like to be apart of the accepted heeling community where ever I go. (Gosh! I just figured out that I sound a lot like the PBS people when they are looking for donations for financing their programming.)

I don't know what it is, but some how there is an attitude that men can't be themselves when they wear heels. This idea must have come from the present expectation in our social environment. Somehow heels have come to hold this charm or persuasion which makes men loose their self-control. I won't deny that my head turns when I have even an inkling that a pair of high heel pumps are within my vicinity of acknowledgement. Could it be that men are more fascinated by the anticipated wearer than the heels alone? In a world where men also wear heels, this cause of fascination would be kind of lessened in the men's category, because of the percentage factor that men would also make the same stepping sounds as women. However, whose to say women wouldn't start anticipating as men avidly wear their heels. Maybe a well-trained ear could differenciate between the two, but for most part they will be the same sound.

But there are lots of instances that men deem as Girly. For instance, you don't see women in heels running for a bus or power walking. So as men we view that in a certain way, so if the roles were reversed that is how we would be viewed.

If men were accepted heelers in society, the concept of being "girly" would have different definitions and perspectives. In fact the term may not be used to refer to heels or their wearer at all. Wearing heels would be just another dressing item an individual could choose. Running or power walking in heels could be just another activity, should there be some that want to do them. However, most heelers just want to wear them because it is their choice.

The act of males wearing heels doesn't necessarily mean men would have to switch roles. A man's mobility in heels would be a little different, but that doesn't mean his abilities and skills would have to suffer or become less efficient, providing he has come prepared and knows what is needed for the task completion.

IF men had always worn heels, our complete psyche would be different and we would not be the macho people we are, i could well have transpired that women were the percieved dominant sex, which would mean that men would be a lot more demure and "feminine" As a result i dont think we would feel encroached upon in general, but there would always be some dissenters.

It's interesting that you summized that men would have the demeanor of femininity just because they wore the heels! Therefore, women had to be dominant in their roles.

Of course, this is going along with the thinking that men can't perform their manly activities or functions while wearing high stiletto heels. Funny though, in our social reality women with their heels on seem to be able to walk circles around men in some areas. Which indicates men and women are more alike than most want to concede. Obviously, women aren't impaired by wearing heels, except may be for the length of their stride, just like men would also be.

Wearing heels takes a lot more effort out of a person than most any other footwear. Giving some extra effort and strength is part of the definition of macho and wearing heels qualifies in this category. So, why isn't the idea of wearing high heels a masculine thing as well as feminine?

Yes! Happy Birthday! We should love ourselves, if we expect anyone else too. Heels are kind of a personal gift that sez I'm worth it. May they liven your day and help you see a lot of better tomorrows!

I think this is a great and very thought provoking thread.

The world would be a very different place, and considerably more fashionable, as in todays climate men really get the raw deal on fashion. Women have such a massive choice of what to wear, where our selections are not so great.

The only downside is that with women taking so long to get ready, that if both sexes were in the same boat, going out for a night might take a while to get out the door!!

Hey Trinity,

I like to think many things would change for the better. Men wouldn't see life as a bland, same old same existence and they would be more apt to better their status and appearance, because they will be more motivated. Wearing heels tends to make a person want to achieve more. May be this effect is from watching the way women seem to tackle life and most of them are avid heelers.

If men had as many choices of what to wear, they might be better able to answer some of the questions they get, such as: Does this look good on me? or Which one should I wear, the blue or the pink? Right now, it is a toss up because they look great in either and they want to let us feel we know what we are talking about.

Under the scenario I first posted, if heels were considered to be only for the men's wardrobe and we didn't have the attitude that women should wear them, would men feel encroached upon when they hear of women heelers? What kind of world would come from this situation?

Brainstorm with me a bit using the same type of today's thinking standards. If the wearing of high heels had been only in the masculine wardrobe and every thing else progressed to the technology and social interaction we have come to know, what would the world be like?

I know there is a lot that goes into the making of quality shoes. So many factors that have to be considered for the potential purchaser. The cost should reflect the materials, tools, work, and craftsmenship with a bit of profit to make the business worth the effort. There is no way a pair of shoes, even custom made type with all the designed differences, should cause one to take out a home loan or mortgage the farm just to pay for them. Those who do pay those exorbitant prices usually have this vane streak to be able to have the bragging rights for their desired lavish life style. This is the real laugh or is it tragedy? They may not be able the pay for a good education, but they wear the expensive stuff that could loose its value due to fashion swings or use. Wearing high priced designer stuff may get you some status, but if you haven't prepared, your life could become like a Christmas decorated douglas fir tree in the middle of the Gobi Desert in July.

I only have one pair of white high heels, an older pair with open toes and ankle straps, that I mainly wear around the house. The more pictures I see of white high heeled pumps and people wearing them, the more inspired I am to acquire a pair and wear them publicly. As I said in a previous post, white seems to stand out and draw attention to the wearer. I picture myself in a white suit, black shirt and tie or black turtleneck, black stockings and a pair of white pumps with at least 5" stiletto heels. But that look might draw a little too much attention publicly. But then again, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

First of all, I applaud those who are publicly heeling. Keep it up!

White high heel pumps has been part of my favorite shoes to wear. Like most of you, I have kept them home for fear of being too conspicuous. Wearing the color of heels that matches or compliments our shirt, blazer, or trousers should be a given. If we are going to spend an evening of partying in a new year celebration, we should be able to consider silver colored shoes (heels or flats) to finish our look for the event. We wear or have worn white sports shoes. Why should our white heels make any difference? I know it's the social mindset, but we are already bucking the norm in our black, brown, or tan high heeled shoes and boots. What kind of a stretch is it to included the other colors in our dressing attire if it shows good coordination sense.

My Mary Jane, almond shape toe, court shoes with half inch hidden platforms and 5.25" stiletto heels have caught me in them quite a lot lately. Now, I know they aren't all that high as far as platforms go, but they give the illusion of having really high heels. The actual slope of the foot isn't as severe as the 5" court shoes without platforms. They are comfortable enough to wear for long periods of the day and they give me the proper walking support that I expect from well made, good fitting shoes. If I could just keep the plastic heel tips from wearing out so easily, they would be my choice to wear for any activity a high heel would be appropriate and maybe some that aren't. This endorsement is from a person that prefers his high heeled stiletto pumps without platforms, although I do have a selection of platforms that I have tried to feel comfortable wearing while heeling. Walking in platforms takes more of an effort to move at a natural gait. For me, higher platforms with stiletto heels seem potentially proned to injure my ankles and cause me to fall, because of the excessive side to side movement properties associated with the height. So, not wanting to weaken my ankles, I have chose not to go heeling in them, but around the house they are great for helping me to reach the items on the top shelf in the kitchen cabinets or even changing ceiling lights. I suppose if my spouse was taller there would be more of an incentive to wear them for heeling, but since that is unlikely to happen and knowing my preference, you can be assured my higher platform wearing will be restricted to home use most of the time.

You have to find out who is actually selling the shoes and what market the Amazon site is for. Depending on where they are based you can determine what to do with the information of the seller's site on Amazon. You can even contact the seller and get the information that way. Hope this helps and good heeling!

Well mermaids need the magic potion while wishing they could meet and be with a human. (The movie "Splash") to wear their heels. Centaurs wouldn't need the toe box on any of their hoofs, just four stilettoed heels.

Diana High Heels, I am wearing a pair of 6" stiletto heels as I post this reply. They are way too high for me to walk with any kind of gracefulness, but I enjoy the feel of having them on. As thedesigner intimated, if my feet were a larger size like a 15, it would feel and look like a 5" stiletto for the size I actually wear. There are other factors that need consideration and they are the construction and design of the shoe. I have worn some heels that feel higher than their height measurement is, because the slope of the sole was steeper and didn't support the arch of the foot, or the fit was too loose so that my toe ball joints were literally supporting me all the time whether standing or walking. I would like to post my annoyance with the internet sites that don't filter out their product selections when they give you the option to do so. For instance, Amazon has the option to select right down to only high heel pumps, but you still get a lot of unwanted stuff that was suppose to be taken out. It makes your browsing longer, because you have to drudge over the sandals, boots, flats, clothing, and etcetera.

Hey guys! I hope your heel meet goes well in the fall! Who knows, the price of gas may come down enough that I can consider a jaunt or visit with you, but we'll see. If cost of gas isn't relieved soon, this economic recession the government leaders deny were in will cause most of us to find other accommodations to merely survive. "Soufleed ant" may become a main course meal.

rmaciej1983,

Thanks for bringing to our attention again about the fact that male heelers can be and are anywhere and everywhere. Their status maybe from any walk of life, just like female heelers. They had a desire to wear heels and they like it enough to continue, also not unlike female heelers. The only real difference is in the ideas or attitudes of society that males aren't suppose to have those kind of feelings. This kind of thinking is really not thinking at all. It's just accepting the norm or what has been the standards of society in your life time. It doesn't take into account or reflect the actual desires and feelings of every one, especially the male persona in this topic of heeling. What one chooses to adorn their feet with or for that matter their personage, should be their responsibility and agency, not from any one else. The fashion industry, as it is now, is one of the results of the taking away one's right to choose their own style or look. If you don't care for what another person dresses with, you have a number of options, however, those options don't include those that take away one's agency to choose. I would hope that you would still consider them an equal and be tolerant enough to be their friend.

Perhaps the stigma of males wearing heels can be removed through familiarity and knowing it is part of the human condition. When women have liberated their status, many men had the attitude they were some how unfit for proper living. Until they were able to prove to each other the liberation had little to no bearing on their abilities to live properly, many lives were destroyed or they were thought of as less of a person. Now some men are doing the same kind of liberation and society is so monkeyed up, men are having to prove their abilities and fitness to be accepted. You can look at it as pay back, but who have been the real losers in these sort of differences? (EVERYONE!)

Again, I may be posting to the choir here, but there are those that browse this site and they are who I am really talking to. However, it still applies to us also.